A Mojave Towing Hypothetical...

[jdq22]

As others said, I'd this was an AT I'd say you could do it. Dynamically in terms of suspension, brakes etc the truck can take it but it's not gonna like it and it's going to sag like crazy since the Mojave has soft springs but it would be unpleasantly doable.

My bigger worry would be the truck catching fire as the MT is basically a flaming (literally) pos in these trucks unsuitable for any real loads. You'll either catch fire or mad torque derate once that transmission heats up

Yeah, makes total sense. Already understood it was not remotely feasible, and asked around to get input on the quantitative reasoning behind it. Nothing quite like being accused of killing a minivan full of kids for asking a question in a Jeep forum. Hope everyone puts on their SPF 2000 and bubble wrap before going to check the mail

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[bleda2002]

Yeah, makes total sense. Already understood it was not remotely feasible, and asked around to get input on the quantitative reasoning behind it. Nothing quite like being accused of killing a minivan full of kids for asking a question in a Jeep forum. Hope everyone puts on their SPF 2000 and bubble wrap before going to check the mail

Truck forums are like that in general. So many people take that tow rating and payload as fucking bible, as if the truck and trailer would straight up immediately seek out the nearest school bus and explode in a blaze or glory. Never mind that the tow rating is determined via an extreme test designed to be one of the most taxing environments possible and was really standardized so that manufacturers could be compared apples to apples.

Next you should start a payload thread and ask if you can load up more than 10 pounds over, people will have a conniption.?

 

[Mtpisgah]

My Mojave has Dobinsons heavy duty coils on the rear and Power Brakes on the front, and I would still not go over the limit on a drive like that.

 

[Osteodoc08]

I have a Yamaha 242 Limited SE on a factory trailer that i tow with my Mojave on occasion (6200-6300#) On flat it does fine, stopping is surprisingly good for the weight. Cross winds will give you some sway and the hitch weight will give you nose high attitude causing you to get flashed by everyone oncoming and blind everyone.

I personally would not recommend and would try to find one of your buddies with a more appropriate tow rig and make a weekend out of it.

 

[Lunentucker]

Yeah, makes total sense. Already understood it was not remotely feasible, and asked around to get input on the quantitative reasoning behind it. Nothing quite like being accused of killing a minivan full of kids for asking a question in a Jeep forum. Hope everyone puts on their SPF 2000 and bubble wrap before going to check the mail

You made no indication of that in the initial post. Now you're trying to flip it back where it doesn't belong.

 

[Gvsukids]

I have a Yamaha 242 Limited SE on a factory trailer that i tow with my Mojave on occasion (6200-6300#) On flat it does fine, stopping is surprisingly good for the weight.

Double axle trailer? That helps brake and distribute the weight better than a single axle.

 

[Osteodoc08]

Double axle trailer? That helps brake and distribute the weight better than a single axle.

Correct. Double axle with single axle disc brakes. Not my favorite set up but adequate. The boat and trailer were built at a price point

 

[dcmdon]

When you do such a thing, please post a date and time so I can warn everyone I know to stay away from you.

Over the hitch limit, over the published towing limit, way beyond the clutch and transmission limit, past the brake limit, likely not insured as your policy likely won't cover you.

Just because you can do something and get away with doesn't make it smart or responsible.

Doing it at night ? What difference does that make ? Less people to hurt I guess.

Internet expert I guess.

Totally irresponsible advice.

Thanks for the kind words.

If you don't understand the benefits of night driving, I guess I'll start from the beginning.
1) less traffic.
2) less likelihood that I will need to brake hard.
3) you can see brake lights from a mile away.
4) people generally drive slower and less aggressively.

I'm a big fan of making trips at night. It's just calmer and less hassle.

If you understand engineering you know that these limits are based on a given safety factor that is necessary with all reasonable scenarios. In a Jeep that means that someone will tow 5 lb under the limit off road. We've all seen photos or read stories of this being done.

The physical reality is that a trailer that weighs 6000 lbs, driven gingerly on an interstate will subject every part of the truck other than the driveline to less stress than off road trailering a 4000 lb load.

If you run the truck in a low gear you limit stress on the clutch.

 

[dcmdon]

When you do such a thing, please post a date and time so I can warn everyone I know to stay away from you.

Over the hitch limit, over the published towing limit, way beyond the clutch and transmission limit, past the brake limit, likely not insured as your policy likely won't cover you.

Just because you can do something and get away with doesn't make it smart or responsible.

Doing it at night ? What difference does that make ? Less people to hurt I guess.

Internet expert I guess.

Totally irresponsible advice.

Thanks for the kind words.

If you don't understand the benefits of night driving, I guess I'll start from the beginning.
1) less traffic.
2) less likelihood that I will need to brake hard.
3) you can see brake lights from a mile away.
4) people generally drive slower and less aggressively.

I'm a big fan of making trips at night. It's just calmer and less hassle.

If you understand engineering you know that these limits are based on a given safety factor that is necessary with all reasonable scenarios. In a Jeep that means that someone will tow 5 lb under the limit off road. We've all seen photos or read stories of this being done.

The physical reality is that a trailer that weighs 6000 lbs, driven gingerly on an interstate will subject every part of the truck other than the driveline to less stress than off road trailering.

 

[MrZappo]

Thanks for the kind words.

If you don't understand the benefits of night driving, I guess I'll start from the beginning.
1) less traffic.
2) less likelihood that I will need to brake hard.
3) you can see brake lights from a mile away.
4) people generally drive slower and less aggressively.

I'm a big fan of making trips at night. It's just calmer and less hassle.

If you understand engineering you know that these limits are based on a given safety factor that is necessary with all reasonable scenarios. In a Jeep that means that someone will tow 5 lb under the limit off road. We've all seen photos or read stories of this being done.

The physical reality is that a trailer that weighs 6000 lbs, driven gingerly on an interstate will subject every part of the truck other than the driveline to less stress than off road trailering.

If you run the truck in a low gear you limit stress on the clutch.

Well, I actually am an engineer. And I do understand everything you are saying and then some.

My response remains. If you do this (day or night) it does not change the facts that you are overloaded and therefore more likely to have issues. And way overloaded at that.

Additionally, all of your points that may do well on an internet forum won't do well with an insurance company who denies you coverage for the exact same reasons you are touting as perfectly fine (on an internet forum).

Your assertion that I don't understand the benefits of night driving although clever and snarky are obviously an attempt to poke me by insinuating that I must be dumb.

I'm not the one recommending to someone with less experience and a legitimate question that he ignore the engineering specs and put others at risk.

No disrespect in intended but, your wrong, your advice is dangerous and reasonable people understand that.

 

[dcmdon]

Well, I actually am an engineer. And I do understand everything you are saying and then some.

My response remains. If you do this (day or night) it does not change the facts that you are overloaded and therefore more likely to have issues. And way overloaded at that.

Additionally, all of your points that may do well on an internet forum won't do well with an insurance company who denies you coverage for the exact same reasons you are touting as perfectly fine (on an internet forum).

Your assertion that I don't understand the benefits of night driving although clever and snarky are obviously an attempt to poke me by insinuating that I must be dumb.

I'm not the one recommending to someone with less experience and a legitimate question that he ignore the engineering specs and put others at risk.

No disrespect in intended but, your wrong, your advice is dangerous and reasonable people understand that.

My snarky response was in direct reply to your snarky statement that I was an "internet expert". So as my 12 year old would say, You started it.

If you read my posts here, I commonly engage in respectful debate without insults. So don't pretend to take the high road here.

I have decades of experience towing all kinds of loads with all kinds of vehicles. Extremely passive and careful driving habits can re-establish reasonable safety margins.

When the SAE sets tow ratings, it could be for any number of reasons. Acceleration may drop below acceptable limits, a key component of the vehicle's system's temps may exceed industry standards on their "high and hot" test. Or the vehicle may handle terribly.

Unless we know the exact reason the Gladiator's tow rating was capped at whatever it was capped at, we can't make concrete statement.

If the rating is based on trans oil temp during the high and hot test then if towing slower and in colder temps, the truck could safely tow more weight and have the same or greater margins than in the test.

If braking distances became too long, then you can mitigate the risks by driving slower and at night. If you are a mechanical engineer or simply understand TSD equations, then you know that braking distance is going to go up as a square function of speed. You will also understand that braking distance increases at less than a linear function of weight. You combine those two "curves" and it becomes pretty obvious that extra weight can be mitigated by driving more slowly and allowing more following distance.

Risk can be managed. As an engineer, you should know that. There are no sharp edged curves in physics. Margins gradually diminsh and mitigating actions can reestablish those margins.

People often talk about loss of indemnification. I explicitly asked my insurance agent about this, because it comes up here often, and he confirmed that towing above vehicle rating would not change anything.

His reply mentioned something to the effect of "You are indemnified if you drive drunk and if you drive recklessly, this is no different. Liability insurance is there to protect OTHERS. If doing something stupid resulted in loss of indemnification, then the insurance wouldn't serve its purpose".

 

[Minty JL]

To the OP,

Well a hypothetical question implies you've pondered said action, therefore you're getting the responses you should expect.

At this point there should be no defensiveness nor surprise here; unless you're new to the whole internet and web forums.

 

[jdq22]

I rented a truck guys relax

 

[Gladiator Brad 704]

NO. DO NOT DO THIS. I have towed many miles both professionally and for recreation this does not sound very wise. Get the right tools for the job. None of us want to read about the guy that wiped out a school bus with his overloaded Jeep.

 

[Minty JL]

Can an @Admin close this then

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