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The auxiliary battery has zip to do with the switches. The fact you are getting that message means that the voltage is low - it can be a bad MAIN battery.
My wife has been getting that in her Wrangler - "aux switches unavailable" - her Jeep has no aux battery - it's a 4xe.
So you may find you still have the issue. Don't jump to things - check your battery voltage with a volt meter. Start from there. You could have a MAIN battery going bad, OR the aux battery - but you won't know until you do some testing/checking.
Not using ESS has nothing to do with aux battery life, either. They are connected together at almost all times.
No Iam definitely weighing my options and I agree, my main could be going bad. This is a 2021 driven mostly in less than 10 mile trips twice a day. I would like to get rid of the auxiliary battery since I don't use ESS. Then I've only got one battery to check and maintain.
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No Iam definitely weighing my options and I agree, my main could be going bad. This is a 2021 driven mostly in less than 10 mile trips twice a day. I would like to get rid of the auxiliary battery since I don't use ESS. Then I've only got one battery to check and maintain.
When was the last time that you had the batteries on a charger? It wouldn't take long if you tossed on a trickle charger on just the aux early in the evening and when it finishes, toss it on the main. Have the IBS connector pulled at that time. In the morning, reconnect your battery cables. Then plug in the IBS connector.

If you have a meter you could check the battery voltage after charging them. You would want to wait 20-30 minutes after removing the charger.

If you don't short any cables ends in the process I think you would benefit doing this.
 

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When was the last time that you had the batteries on a charger? It wouldn't take long if you tossed on a trickle charger on just the aux early in the evening and when it finishes, toss it on the main. Have the IBS connector pulled at that time. In the morning, reconnect your battery cables. Then plug in the IBS connector.

If you have a meter you could check the battery voltage after charging them. You would want to wait 20-30 minutes after removing the charger.

If you don't short any cables ends in the process I think you would benefit doing this.
I've never charged the battery. What is the downside of removing the auxiliary battery in my situation?
 

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I've never charged the battery. What is the downside of removing the auxiliary battery in my situation?
The Aux Battery is there to keep the computers from rebooting due to low voltage during ESS restarts. If you always hit the dash button for ESS, it doesn't really affect you. Since they are paralleled together, removing the Aux Battery actually lowers total capacity. It can also cause warranty issues, depending on the dealer.
 

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The Aux Battery is there to keep the computers from rebooting due to low voltage during ESS restarts. If you always hit the dash button for ESS, it doesn't really affect you. Since they are paralleled together, removing the Aux Battery actually lowers total capacity. It can also cause warranty issues, depending on the dealer.
Thanks. I have ESS "disabled" with my tazer and don't plan on using it again.
 

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Thanks. I have ESS "disabled" with my tazer and don't plan on using it again.
Just keep in mind that ESS is never disabled. The button on the dash just prevents the engine from turning off when ESS calls for it. The Tazer just reminds the computer what position you want the button in.
 

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No Iam definitely weighing my options and I agree, my main could be going bad. This is a 2021 driven mostly in less than 10 mile trips twice a day. I would like to get rid of the auxiliary battery since I don't use ESS. Then I've only got one battery to check and maintain.
Those short trips over that period of time means those batteries were actually never fully charged. That kills batteries.
Even if you make such changes, those short drives will kill any battery eventually. Even driving 45 minutes doesn't fully charge a batter that has been sitting for a while (personal experience, thus, my charging setup through the trailer connector)
 

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Got rid of the auxiliary battery today. Went in through the top pulling the fuse box up and out of the way. Was not as bad as I've heard some describe it. I was very careful to cover anything potentially hot and electrical connectors with rags and ties. I bought a battery load tester from harbor freight and tested both batteries. Main battery tested fine and the auxiliary tested weak. While I had the main battery out I topped it off with an 8 amp charge rate. Battery read 12.7 volts after charging.

I went ahead and pulled fuse 42 before I took the batteries out. I taped up the auxiliary ground and tucked it out of the way and connected the auxiliary positive connector to the main positive connector. When I started the jeep I did not get any auxiliary not ready codes so Iam happy about that. Hopefully I can get another winter out of this battery but it's going on 4 years now which is pretty good IMO.
 

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Got rid of the auxiliary battery today. Went in through the top pulling the fuse box up and out of the way. Was not as bad as I've heard some describe it. I was very careful to cover anything potentially hot and electrical connectors with rags and ties. I bought a battery load tester from harbor freight and tested both batteries. Main battery tested fine and the auxiliary tested weak. While I had the main battery out I topped it off with an 8 amp charge rate. Battery read 12.7 volts after charging.

I went ahead and pulled fuse 42 before I took the batteries out. I taped up the auxiliary ground and tucked it out of the way and connected the auxiliary positive connector to the main positive connector. When I started the jeep I did not get any auxiliary not ready codes so Iam happy about that. Hopefully I can get another winter out of this battery but it's going on 4 years now which is pretty good IMO.
If it tested even a bit weak on one of those cheapie testers - then it's weak.
I never trust anything that doesn't do a full correct test, but those can get "close enough".
I prefer the actual load test.
I took a battery back to NAPA a couple of years ago - took them some time to even get a test, then he was like "uh, well" - a true load test would have crashed that battery like a rock, but his test only showed "iffy".
 

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I went ahead and pulled fuse 42 before I took the batteries out. I taped up the auxiliary ground and tucked it out of the way and connected the auxiliary positive connector to the main positive connector. When I started the jeep I did not get any auxiliary not ready codes so Iam happy about that. Hopefully I can get another winter out of this battery but it's going on 4 years now which is pretty good IMO.
This is what I'm wondering about. I hear people just pull the negative and the fuse and leave the aux in there. Doing it your way has everything worked accordingly since? Like does ass still work, any electrical demons popup? I want to go this route but im wondering if it would be best to also get a yellow/red top battery with the biggest capacity that can fit. My main is original and 2021. Ass isnt working atm. Well i should say it works once in a blue moon but i take mostly short trips to work and back but plan on doing road trips in the near future.
 

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This is what I'm wondering about. I hear people just pull the negative and the fuse and leave the aux in there. Doing it your way has everything worked accordingly since? Like does ass still work, any electrical demons popup? I want to go this route but im wondering if it would be best to also get a yellow/red top battery with the biggest capacity that can fit. My main is original and 2021. Ass isnt working atm. Well i should say it works once in a blue moon but i take mostly short trips to work and back but plan on doing road trips in the near future.
ESS works even without the aux battery. If you are doing short drives, you are killing batteries. Use a battery charger/tender. The reason ESS isn't always working for you now is a sign your batteries are LOW. Short drives are battery killers - even the main doesn't like that.

If you are having ESS not working now, then you absolutely are killing your batteries and need to keep them charged up between your short drives. Removing the aux from the mix and then putting in a larger main won't help that any, in fact, you'll have the same issues - you don't drive it enough to keep the battery up. That in itself will jump up and bite you someday.

You won't know about electrical issues from the start - the aux is there to prevent LONG TERM issues so no one can say "no problems ever", only that so far, they have personally not seen issues.

2021 is getting long in tooth for factory batteries. And your abusing it with short drives means you are on borrowed time with it. It's possibly at least 5 years old.
 

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ESS works even without the aux battery. If you are doing short drives, you are killing batteries. Use a battery charger/tender. The reason ESS isn't always working for you now is a sign your batteries are LOW. Short drives are battery killers - even the main doesn't like that.

If you are having ESS not working now, then you absolutely are killing your batteries and need to keep them charged up between your short drives. Removing the aux from the mix and then putting in a larger main won't help that any, in fact, you'll have the same issues - you don't drive it enough to keep the battery up. That in itself will jump up and bite you someday.

You won't know about electrical issues from the start - the aux is there to prevent LONG TERM issues so no one can say "no problems ever", only that so far, they have personally not seen issues.

2021 is getting long in tooth for factory batteries. And your abusing it with short drives means you are on borrowed time with it. It's possibly at least 5 years old.
I actually turn ass off by default everytime i get in the jeep but i had noticed before hand it wasnt always working. And i knew enough from reading over time about ass working even without the aux. I dont mind just hitting the button but from what im hearing the aux batteries are just crap in general. My thing is id rather just have one battery to maintain then 2. Which is why i suggested a bigger main.

But when you say in terms of protecting against long term issues, wouldnt deleting the aux, putting the positive on the main and just making sure the main is topped off like once a week be just as fine? My though is if the truck still thinks the aux is there having the positive on the main it would be ok? But again i always disable ass when i get in the jeep. Its pretty much drilled in my brain at this point
 

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just making sure the main is topped off like once a week be just as fine?
Yes but this is where a multimeter becomes your friend and necessary to have in the tool box or kept in the truck. Use the tool to do a load test. If your battery is reading 12.4v, charge it up.
 

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This is what I'm wondering about. I hear people just pull the negative and the fuse and leave the aux in there. Doing it your way has everything worked accordingly since? Like does ass still work, any electrical demons popup? I want to go this route but im wondering if it would be best to also get a yellow/red top battery with the biggest capacity that can fit. My main is original and 2021. Ass isnt working atm. Well i should say it works once in a blue moon but i take mostly short trips to work and back but plan on doing road trips in the near future.
I have not had any issues with this setup thus far but I never use start stop and have a tazer that eliminates the need to push the button everytime I get in.
 

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I need to wrap my head around best method here. What does the positive to the aux even run to? Trying to figure out why it would be ok just pulling a fuse and a negative terminal and everything work fine.

I also have the crappier small battery and intend on replacing the main with a higher capacity. Anyone suggest a particular battery for this as i intend on adding a winch eventually. I hear the h7 agm odyssey and some say the yellow tops. Not sure i can get the odyssey locally though which i really want to do.
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