Another Cam bites the dust...

[Zachanadandy]

He has similar and multiple reels with ⅜ & ½ line it so freaking nice.

Was planning on a full air setup when I build the shop on the retirement property, but battery tools have come so far I likely won't. No cord reels, no leaks to chase, no compressor noise. Doesn't matter what the tool you can find a battery version with similar if not better performance at this point. Both the garage at the house and the shed on the property look like dewalt show rooms at this point. From the 1400ftlbs break strength of the 1/2" impact to the cordless ratchet to the weed eater. No cords, no fuel, no air filters to clean. I've got a 5 gallon bucket full of batteries. We framed, nailed, cut, and screwed our entire 12'x16' cabin with full loft together on our remote desert property without ever even starting the generator. Framing nailer, full sized circular saw, impact, drill. Sun up to sun down for 5 straight days without needing to charge any of the batteries. The cordless tool market is amazing these days. No need for air. Even if I want to blow the saw dust off the floor before I start closing up walls there's the cordless leaf blower. Sure it would be a hell of an investment starting from scratch, but all the batteries and half the tools are a carry over from my work as a commercial electrician. Not only do I not need air anymore, I don't need power/ cords either.

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[Jrgunn5150]

I have a hard time understanding the personality of a person who makes the second largest financial decision of their life, THEN goes on the internet to research it, internalizes every negative thing they see, and spends the next 3-4 years of ownership throwing snake oil fixes at it, rage replying on forums and posts, and spending sleepless nights imagining all the problems they might could maybe have some day.

I'm at just under 41,000 miles, and just had my fourth oil change, and don't have a care in the world.

Do enjoy driving my comfy Jeep all the cool places it can take me though.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Since everyone else is just gonna ignore it - how long is that level???

8 feet.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Was planning on a full air setup when I build the shop on the retirement property, but battery tools have come so far I likely won't. No cord reels, no leaks to chase, no compressor noise. Doesn't matter what the tool you can find a battery version with similar if not better performance at this point. Both the garage at the house and the shed on the property look like dewalt show rooms at this point. From the 1400ftlbs break strength of the 1/2" impact to the cordless ratchet to the weed eater. No cords, no fuel, no air filters to clean. I've got a 5 gallon bucket full of batteries. We framed, nailed, cut, and screwed our entire 12'x16' cabin with full loft together on our remote desert property without ever even starting the generator. Framing nailer, full sized circular saw, impact, drill. Sun up to sun down for 5 straight days without needing to charge any of the batteries. The cordless tool market is amazing these days. No need for air. Even if I want to blow the saw dust off the floor before I start closing up walls there's the cordless leaf blower. Sure it would be a hell of an investment starting from scratch, but all the batteries and half the tools are a carry over from my work as a commercial electrician. Not only do I not need air anymore, I don't need power/ cords either.

Air is great for filling tires, blowing off parts, air drying parts from a parts washer, spraying paint/primer, and other fun stuff.
Since I also have all of the air powered body tools, no need to buy them all over again.
Upstairs it's for the one air powered brad nailer I have, plus blowing out some of the wood working equipment for maintenance (a vacuum just can't do the same thing) and a few other things.

Batteries are outrageously expensive when you already own air files, sanders, sprayers and a whole cabinet of other things. I still have my Binks 69 spray gun, and a HF touch-up gun that require air.

If you are starting out new and have a ton of $$ to invest in all new batteries and power tools - cool, but if you still have all of the air tools from over the years, it makes little sense to scrap all of that and spend thousands for new tools. Even having batteries "rebuild" costs hundreds, as I've found out as batteries have died. Then of course, the batteries from 10 years ago can't be bought today, so there you are............

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

8 feet.

Epic. Ok, back to self destructing cams!

 

[Stan H]

Was planning on a full air setup when I build the shop on the retirement property, but battery tools have come so far I likely won't. No cord reels, no leaks to chase, no compressor noise. Doesn't matter what the tool you can find a battery version with similar if not better performance at this point. Both the garage at the house and the shed on the property look like dewalt show rooms at this point. From the 1400ftlbs break strength of the 1/2" impact to the cordless ratchet to the weed eater. No cords, no fuel, no air filters to clean. I've got a 5 gallon bucket full of batteries. We framed, nailed, cut, and screwed our entire 12'x16' cabin with full loft together on our remote desert property without ever even starting the generator. Framing nailer, full sized circular saw, impact, drill. Sun up to sun down for 5 straight days without needing to charge any of the batteries. The cordless tool market is amazing these days. No need for air. Even if I want to blow the saw dust off the floor before I start closing up walls there's the cordless leaf blower. Sure it would be a hell of an investment starting from scratch, but all the batteries and half the tools are a carry over from my work as a commercial electrician. Not only do I not need air anymore, I don't need power/ cords either.

Well like when I cleaned the block to remove the traces of the old rubber seal . That little air grinder with 80° head was so tiny fit right down in there and I was able to do a dandy job with that soft buffing type wheel. No metal removal of course just a smooth up type job. Can be accomplished also with a flat sanding block and some 500grit sandpaper or emery cloth. It made a long time into a short time . The battery tools I have several also and they are a bit bulky with those batteries in tight spots . Air still definitely has its place still . Love me some air . My Uncle has the Air compressor in a small shed *Outside* the garage its like barely able to be heard inside the garage .

 

[Hootbro]

What surprised me was the limited amount of complaints submitted to NHTSA. I was browsing various model years of the JT and there weren’t that many cam complaints. Tons on the manual transmission, but not the cams. For all the complaints online it seems weird. Maybe those with failed cams should start reporting to NHTSA more in hopes of initiating a recall. If the cam failed and caused a safety issue be sure to elaborate on that.

The problem generally does not leave one on the side of the road unexpectedly that drives a lot of NHTSA complaints.

 

[Stan H]

The problem generally does not leave one on the side of the road unexpectedly that drives a lot of NHTSA complaints.

But it does leave 500 dollars in someonelses clamy cabbage collectors and you with oily greasy hands.

 

[MPMB]

It certainly won't be a recall due to the numbers and the fact there's no telling which will have problems vs. which will never have problems.

I'm sure there's a long list of car companies that do the "right" thing and ones that do the corporate thing. I believe one of the "right" things was Lexus (iirc); one of the models had a leaky engine to the tune of 1 qt per tank. Lexus put new engines in those that had the problems and offered substantial engine warranty.

Since I'm in marketing, that's how I think. Jeep *should* offer reimbursement and/or extend a special warranty that covers the valvetrain up to 100k. Having something like this fail well under 100k miles is concerning.

I think most people (myself included) expect to have a relatively error-free vehicle up to 100k. Ironically, I've only had 1 vehicle break 100k - my '98 Golf which I got rid of at 123k. xB - 86k. Expedition - 94k. Sportage - 89k. A4 - sitting at 85k. JT - sitting at 63k.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I'm sure there's a long list of car companies that do the "right" thing and ones that do the corporate thing. I believe one of the "right" things was Lexus (iirc); one of the models had a leaky engine to the tune of 1 qt per tank. Lexus put new engines in those that had the problems and offered substantial engine warranty.

Since I'm in marketing, that's how I think. Jeep *should* offer reimbursement and/or extend a special warranty that covers the valvetrain up to 100k. Having something like this fail well under 100k miles is concerning.

I think most people (myself included) expect to have a relatively error-free vehicle up to 100k. Ironically, I've only had 1 vehicle break 100k - my '98 Golf which I got rid of at 123k. xB - 86k. Expedition - 94k. Sportage - 89k. A4 - sitting at 85k. JT - sitting at 63k.

Low mileage, fully warrantied failures should cause Jeep to extend the coverage beyond the standard 60k? Why? How many 60k plus failures have there been? If you're worried about it but an extended warranty to 100k. You can still do that even if you're already at 63k.

 

[Stan H]

I'm sure there's a long list of car companies that do the "right" thing and ones that do the corporate thing. I believe one of the "right" things was Lexus (iirc); one of the models had a leaky engine to the tune of 1 qt per tank. Lexus put new engines in those that had the problems and offered substantial engine warranty.

Since I'm in marketing, that's how I think. Jeep *should* offer reimbursement and/or extend a special warranty that covers the valvetrain up to 100k. Having something like this fail well under 100k miles is concerning.

I think most people (myself included) expect to have a relatively error-free vehicle up to 100k. Ironically, I've only had 1 vehicle break 100k - my '98 Golf which I got rid of at 123k. xB - 86k. Expedition - 94k. Sportage - 89k. A4 - sitting at 85k. JT - sitting at 63k.

You answered your statement .
100k Most people dont keep vehicles past 100k. Alot of guys on here have had 2 ,3,4,5 Gladiators. There are a few on here who have 100k+ some have 150k+ and at least 1 guy on here has 200k .
But we are the exception to the rule of thumb. Most will trade prior to 70-75k know the value will drop significantly. Many trade near warranties end at 60k. So why offer 100k valve train to a few hundred people while thousands will never ever see 100k in that vehicle . And surely they would never offer it as transferable .

 

[Stan H]

I'm sure there's a long list of car companies that do the "right" thing and ones that do the corporate thing. I believe one of the "right" things was Lexus (iirc); one of the models had a leaky engine to the tune of 1 qt per tank. Lexus put new engines in those that had the problems and offered substantial engine warranty.

Since I'm in marketing, that's how I think. Jeep *should* offer reimbursement and/or extend a special warranty that covers the valvetrain up to 100k. Having something like this fail well under 100k miles is concerning.

I think most people (myself included) expect to have a relatively error-free vehicle up to 100k. Ironically, I've only had 1 vehicle break 100k - my '98 Golf which I got rid of at 123k. xB - 86k. Expedition - 94k. Sportage - 89k. A4 - sitting at 85k. JT - sitting at 63k.

You answered your statement .
100k Most people dont keep vehicles past 100k. Alot of fuys on here have had 2 ,3,4,5 Gladiators. There are a few on here who have 100k+ some have 150k+ and at least 1 guy on here has 200k .
But we are the exception to the rule of thumb. Most will trade prior to 70-75k know the value will drop significantly. Many trade near warranties end at 60k. So why offer 100k valve train to a few hundred people while thousands will never ever see 100k in that vehicle . And surely they would never offer it as transferable .

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I'm sure there's a long list of car companies that do the "right" thing and ones that do the corporate thing. I believe one of the "right" things was Lexus (iirc); one of the models had a leaky engine to the tune of 1 qt per tank. Lexus put new engines in those that had the problems and offered substantial engine warranty.

All car companies do the corporate thing.

They're corporations, existing to enrich shareholders.

They honor their contract with you, the warranty.

Why shouldn't you honor it as well?

 

[MPMB]

Low mileage, fully warrantied failures should cause Jeep to extend the coverage beyond the standard 60k? Why? How many 60k plus failures have there been? If you're worried about it but an extended warranty to 100k. You can still do that even if you're already at 63k.

The cam failure is A KNOWN ISSUE with the 3.6L. The cause, frequency, source of the failure, however, isn't known (at least publicly). All the anecdotal evidence provided here display that.

Since the failures occur at any point in time, regardless of driving habits, locations, oil type, on-road or off-road, that points to a mechanical failure based on parts quality and/or design flaw.

And since the overwhelming majority of issues are Cyl 1 (I can't recall another cylinder event), that points to a likely design flaw.

Putting in a new cam kit doesn't solve the problem if it's a design flaw, it solves the symptom of the problem and kicks the can down the road.

Offering a benefit to customers that would be a minimal expense for Jeep yet would be viewed as a company doing the right thing and end up buying some loyalty from customers on the fence.

If the cam kit actually does survive, Jeep doesn't pay anything but has gained favorable positioning with customers and potential customers.

You answered your statement .
100k Most people dont keep vehicles past 100k. Alot of fuys on here have had 2 ,3,4,5 Gladiators. There are a few on here who have 100k+ some have 150k+ and at least 1 guy on here has 200k .
But we are the exception to the rule of thumb. Most will trade prior to 70-75k know the value will drop significantly. Many trade near warranties end at 60k. So why offer 100k valve train to a few hundred people while thousands will never ever see 100k in that vehicle . And surely they would never offer it as transferable .

If people are dumping them that early, then it's a minimal cost to Jeep but publicly it's tremendous goodwill.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

If people are dumping them that early, then it's a minimal cost to Jeep but publicly it's tremendous goodwill.

People keep on showing up, having bought one, and never heard of any cam failures until they joined a social media group.

So I doubt the value of good publicity here.

99% of buyers buy these things because they're buying an image, same as shopping at Columbia, REI, drinking pregame and protein shakes, etc etc.

Jeep isn't losing any buyers or sleep over this.

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