Bent Frame - Part Deux

[87chief]

So much going on in this 'BAN hammer' clip. I love it. The mods should just put that in place of every banned post.
Where did the hammer go?
I see that he put on a long sleeved shirt and a mask, safety first.
Nobody jumped when it went off, they casually turned to see what happened. Like it is commonplace..
Who is holding his beer?

not to be a dick, but i imagine posts like this (although very entertaining) are why the last thread got deleted.

there is a lot of good feedback, and more importantly, good questions from people trying to help you figure this out. this is your only response? i'm genuinly interested in what the outcome of this is but it'll more than likely go unsolved if no feedback about the actual truck after the initial post is ever given.

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[AmishMike]

not to be a dick, but i imagine posts like this (although very entertaining) are why the last thread got deleted.

there is a lot of good feedback, and more importantly, good questions from people trying to help you figure this out. this is your only response? i'm genuinly interested in what the outcome of this is but it'll more than likely go unsolved if no feedback about the actual truck after the initial post is ever given.

I am also awaiting more information. The OP gave us some 'exterior' pictures but really we need a straight edge held to the frame to see where it bent or pictures of bed/body mounts. There are more clues and some sort of stress riser under there. We also need SOME kind of idea as to what he was doing with the truck when it happened. Then we can all learn what not to do.
Personally, I have run my RTT with a load of camping gear on all sorts of trails (like Dickie Bell) with no trouble. No spare hanging off of the hitch and we have all seen bent frames from having a trailer on a trail so I am thinking speed was involved. You can set down a lot of weight without problems, slamming at even a few mph can be devastating.

Extraneous entertaining posts would not get it deleted (ie. Last Jeep...) There were several references to other websites, some politically weighted comments and a sexual innuendo.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Small issue here, if the frame being bent is due to the scrapes on the underside, then it would be bent in the opposite direction.

Exactly.

 

[AZCooWhip]

I'm curious as to what that dragged on to so completely scrape it and so deeply.
I mean - that really dragged on something - either backed over something or down a dip and back out and the back end dragged on the way out of a deep dip or ravine.

“Goes out and throws a cover over his trailer hitch” Aren’t we supposed to use our hitch as a rock slide?? ??

BTW ....if a frame is actually being “bent” here, then the occasional hitch overload or hitting on rocks is not bending a frame. I just cannot imagine those actions would have enough force to move the steel frame roughly 2”.

 

[Gren71]

“Goes out and throws a cover over his trailer hitch” Aren’t we supposed to use our hitch as a rock slide?? ??

BTW ....if a frame is actually being “bent” here, then the occasional hitch overload or hitting on rocks is not bending a frame. I just cannot imagine those actions would have enough force to move the steel frame roughly 2”.

Makes me wonder if the mounting points for the bed are bent or dislodged somehow.

 

[AZCooWhip]

Here’s another thought. Do us a favor and throw a level on your bed rail. Both sides and compare. As flat of ground as possible of course. I‘d be curious to see what that shows.

 

[sharpsicle]

Don't get hung up on the scratched receiver plate folks. Nobody said that was the cause of the bend. The body shop just denied warranty based on it, probably because it's a sign of possibly-related abuse. Not even they said it was the cause.

 

[Renegade]

I am also awaiting more information. The OP gave us some 'exterior' pictures but really we need a straight edge held to the frame to see where it bent or pictures of bed/body mounts. There are more clues and some sort of stress riser under there. We also need SOME kind of idea as to what he was doing with the truck when it happened. Then we can all learn what not to do.
Personally, I have run my RTT with a load of camping gear on all sorts of trails (like Dickie Bell) with no trouble. No spare hanging off of the hitch and we have all seen bent frames from having a trailer on a trail so I am thinking speed was involved. You can set down a lot of weight without problems, slamming at even a few mph can be devastating.

Extraneous entertaining posts would not get it deleted (ie. Last Jeep...) There were several references to other websites, some politically weighted comments and a sexual innuendo.

Do yo know the guy? How did you get roped into posting for him? It’s awful suspicious that he pops in out of nowhere, and posts just enough info to draw people in, then disappears.

 

[Hootbro]

Do yo know the guy? How did you get roped into posting for him? It’s awful suspicious that he pops in out of nowhere, and posts just enough info to draw people in, then disappears.

I do not think he was purposely trolling. Think he was looking for pity party support and when that did not happen, became radio silent because there is probably more to the story than he just walked out to find his frame bent.

The higher something costs to fix, the more people do not want to take responsibility.

 

[AmishMike]

I do not think he was purposely trolling. Think he was looking for pity party support and when that did not happen, became radio silent because there is probably more to the story than he just walked out to find his frame bent.

The higher something costs to fix, the more people do not want to take responsibility.

The original thread got shut down. Then he posted in the 'Last Jeep....' thread. Since I am curious and want to know how it really happened, I opened this. He has been around, posted some photos but just not ones that let us figure it out. He admits to a 65 lb hitch mounted tire carrier with a 33" on it. There is more to this story. Just like those frames that get bent from off-roading with a trailer, I want to know more, like speed but rut/rock what is actually causing this? None of the rest of us want this problem.
No, I have no idea who the guy is.

 

[WK2JT]

The original thread got shut down. Then he posted in the 'Last Jeep....' thread. Since I am curious and want to know how it really happened, I opened this. He has been around, posted some photos but just not ones that let us figure it out. He admits to a 65 lb hitch mounted tire carrier with a 33" on it. There is more to this story. Just like those frames that get bent from off-roading with a trailer, I want to know more, like speed but rut/rock what is actually causing this? None of the rest of us want this problem.
No, I have no idea who the guy is.

Agree… curious about these bent frames. Especially with trailers off-road. Are they going too fast offroad with a trailer, is it a typical ball mount hitch and would an off-road type hitch relieve the strain, etc. I would like to get an off-road trailer, but curious just how easy it is to cause this sort of damage. If the added weight of a hitch mounted spare could generate enough force to cause this, we’re all screwed.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

“Goes out and throws a cover over his trailer hitch” Aren’t we supposed to use our hitch as a rock slide?? ??

BTW ....if a frame is actually being “bent” here, then the occasional hitch overload or hitting on rocks is not bending a frame. I just cannot imagine those actions would have enough force to move the steel frame roughly 2”.

Read the other posts where WXman and I went back and forth a couple of times on the forces involved. Again, I am NOT saying that happened here, just that if you do have a load on the hitch and it goes up, and comes down, the force is multiplied crazy amounts. For example, a 10 pound ball falling 48" generates 2,000 pounds of FORCE.
So hit a bump, go airborne even a couple of feet with a load of 500 pounds of weight on the tongue/hitch and you have many thousands of pounds of force. Frames can get bent and we've seen it, especially when the axle area is the fulcrum for the force.
I think for one scenario I calculated about 80,000 pounds of force coming down on that hitch.
So imagine that 80,000 pounds of force hitting that hitch - something will give. I can bend some hefty steel with my press and a fraction of that force.
I'm not talking about "overload" such as having 1,000 tongue weight and 5,000 pounds payload, I'm talking hitting a dune or motocross hill and leaving the ground and coming back down. THAT will bend frames with even only a few hundred pounds in play.
The math and science supports it - we discussed in another thread.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Agree… curious about these bent frames. Especially with trailers off-road. Are they going too fast offroad with a trailer, is it a typical ball mount hitch and would an off-road type hitch relieve the strain, etc. I would like to get an off-road trailer, but curious just how easy it is to cause this sort of damage. If the added weight of a hitch mounted spare could generate enough force to cause this, we’re all screwed.

It only comes into play if you hit a bump large enough for the truck to leave the ground. It's the acceleration of the weight upward, then coming down at xx miles per hour some distance. You have the weight or mass of the item plus the speed and that equals the force. You can tow whatever you want withing tow and payload ratings and not risk a thing - it's if you hit something that causes that weight to become airborne and then come down.
I posted the formula if anyone cares to see real math and science - the example of the 10 pound ball hitting your foot with 2,000 pounds of force I guess went over everyone's head! Why does that 10 pound ball hurt so much? Because of the FORCE - mass and speed - ENERGY cannot be destroyed, only converted. The energy of motion is what does the damage, not the static weight.
600 pounds of tongue weight, if you hit a dune or dip and leave the ground say 24", the force of that thing coming back down is over 70,000 pounds against that frame.

 

[WK2JT]

It only comes into play if you hit a bump large enough for the truck to leave the ground. It's the acceleration of the weight upward, then coming down at xx miles per hour some distance. You have the weight or mass of the item plus the speed and that equals the force. You can tow whatever you want withing tow and payload ratings and not risk a thing - it's if you hit something that causes that weight to become airborne and then come down.
I posted the formula if anyone cares to see real math and science - the example of the 10 pound ball hitting your foot with 2,000 pounds of force I guess went over everyone's head! Why does that 10 pound ball hurt so much? Because of the FORCE - mass and speed - ENERGY cannot be destroyed, only converted. The energy of motion is what does the damage, not the static weight.
600 pounds of tongue weight, if you hit a dune or dip and leave the ground say 24", the force of that thing coming back down is over 70,000 pounds against that frame.

Thanks again @ShadowsPapa. I know there have been a ton of discussions on this and there is a lot of chad in those threads. Appreciate the response here. Some have made it sound like if you take a trailer off-road, you will bend your frame. Seemed far fetched. Definitely not planning any Duke’s of Hazard moments in my JT, let alone while pulling anything.

 

[LowerSlower]

The issue with this thread is that he gives no real information on what really may of happened. Looking at his instagram the bed appears to be fine when he purchased it. He also indicates in the first thread that he only had certain items in the bed when it "happened". Which would lead most to think that he knows what caused the incident. He also seems to ride with a lot more weight than he stated in his original post ie, a Decked system, rooftop tent, roto packs, and gear. I am guessing, but looking through his instagram I would venture to say that he overloaded the truck. Hopefully the OP can clarify with more details, but if I was the dealership that is what my stance would be. Given how little information he has chosen to share.

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