Bronco looks legit

[DailyMoparGuy]

Says you. First off, the targets you list (Renegade, etc) are subcompact crossover SUVs, a class below the Bronco Sport.

The Bronco Sport is perfectly poised to erode Subaru's market in the West. For weekend warriors who need/want something more rugged looking than a wagon, especially for people who want to avoid the Subaru stereotype (not that there's anything wrong with that).

The Subaru Forester and Bronco Sport have the same wheelbase. Forester is longer, but the Sport is wider and slightly taller. Engines are close enough in power.

If you hike, bike, kayak, ski, skinny-ski, surf, snowboard, MTB, or almost any other outdoor activity, you drive a Subaru, Tacoma, or Wrangler (Abraham Lincoln puts this at 80-90% of cars). Go to any trailhead on an unpaved road and you'll see the entire Subaru family in the parking lot. Towing capacity is irrelevant.

Having a slightly taller Whole Foods crawler is very attractive for commuters that typically drive the shorter Subarus. Soccer moms can't all afford the usual full-size options like a Suburban or Expedition in our area (housing costs are going astronomical right now).

I completely agree. My girlfriend doesn’t bat an eye to most cars but she always points at two anytime we see them…the Subaru Forester and the Bronco Sport (and the Tesla Model X but that’s irrelevant).

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[dcmdon]

Here in the Northeast every crunchy post college age kid who hikes, skis, or climbs either drives a Wrangler or a Crosstrek(a jacked up Impreza).

 

[db305]

Says you. First off, the targets you list (Renegade, etc) are subcompact crossover SUVs, a class below the Bronco Sport.

The Bronco Sport is perfectly poised to erode Subaru's market in the West. For weekend warriors who need/want something more rugged looking than a wagon, especially for people who want to avoid the Subaru stereotype (not that there's anything wrong with that).

The Subaru Forester and Bronco Sport have the same wheelbase. Forester is longer, but the Sport is wider and slightly taller. Engines are close enough in power.

If you hike, bike, kayak, ski, skinny-ski, surf, snowboard, MTB, or almost any other outdoor activity, you drive a Subaru, Tacoma, or Wrangler (Abraham Lincoln puts this at 80-90% of cars). Go to any trailhead on an unpaved road and you'll see the entire Subaru family in the parking lot. Towing capacity is irrelevant.

Having a slightly taller Whole Foods crawler is very attractive for commuters that typically drive the shorter Subarus. Soccer moms can't all afford the usual full-size options like a Suburban or Expedition in our area (housing costs are going astronomical right now).

i didn't even bother checking the actual use of the space available and you're right. interior cargo space is only behind the forester. they really did a good job maximizing that interior.

 

[jimbom]

That was actually changed because people raised hell after the announcement and they're going to do the 7MT Sasquatch package for the 2022 model year. Out of luck on the top trims because they don't mate it with the 2.7L but the tuned 2.3L still has plenty.
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For 2021 Ford is pulling the same crap most manufacturers do by forcing the automatic if you want any optional creature comforts like climate control, navigation, 110V outlet (WTF?). On the plus side you can get the 4 Auto feature (AWD) with the manual which Jeep does not. I wonder if any of that will change with the offering of Sasquatch for 2022?

 

[redfish]

Year 1 edition already has Frameless doors and pillar mirrors, see where I am going with this

 

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[FLGladiator]

Reminds me of a mini cooper for some reason. But I could see how some might like it for trails.

 

[LostWoods]

For 2021 Ford is pulling the same crap most manufacturers do by forcing the automatic if you want any optional creature comforts like climate control, navigation, 110V outlet (WTF?). On the plus side you can get the 4 Auto feature (AWD) with the manual which Jeep does not. I wonder if any of that will change with the offering of Sasquatch for 2022?

Wow I didn't believe you so I just tried and that is kind of shitty. I'm guessing they're gating options to smooth the launch but I hope they loosen those requirements at some point if they want to prove they're backing the manual for real.

 

[Scottdip]

Except there's an enormous auto plant producing them and footage from said plant available to anyone with an internet connection. ?

Stop it with facts and reason!

 

[RobbertCole]

They lost a few buyers.

They will still sell all that they can make. People are fickle.

The Bronco is sold out for YEARS, people are buying reservations for over 3k.

They didnt miss out on any.

 

[NachoRuby]

That was actually changed because people raised hell after the announcement and they're going to do the 7MT Sasquatch package for the 2022 model year. Out of luck on the top trims because they don't mate it with the 2.7L but the tuned 2.3L still has plenty.

I'd honestly trade power for the extra pedal because you get like a 95:1 crawl ratio with the granny first while the ~3:1 transfer case is still tall enough you can still carry decent speed down trails. I think it's probably the best combo available in a 4x4 in years.

Though I would not at all be surprised if Toyota dropped the 6MT next generation because they're all about manufacturing efficiency. The Tacoma can only get it on select TRD and cab configs (access cab Sport or any of the three with 4 doors) and the take rate is only 5%. That's only about 10-15k per year.

Awesome on the Bronco Sasquatch for '22. I've expected Toyota to drop the manual for a long time. Surprised they haven't yet.

 

[OVERLORD]

As a dyed in wool Ford guy, I bought a Gladiator. The Bronco does nothing for me, nor does another eco-boom.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

As a dyed in wool Ford guy, I bought a Gladiator. The Bronco does nothing for me, nor does another eco-boom.

Ditto

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

Harleys do suck though. And to your point, the reason Toyota still offers the SFA in the LC70 is because it's a literal unchanged 35 year old design for a farm/work truck. No need to change what works and the SFA is more durable for that application much like the Super Duty.


The SFA may be superior at highly complex off-road but it's an inferior design for literally everything else - it's why even Jeep was prototyping an IFS JL during development. It all devolves into elitism because the number of people pushing their rigs to the point they actually need that extra capability the SFA offers is a small minority of Jeep owners at this point and many who cross that line are well into serious fab/upgrade work you could do to any vehicle. It's like someone bragging how fast their car is while never going to the track and while they put up with needing chiropractor appointments weekly for how jarring the suspension is. Nobody cares how fast your car can run a lap, they care how fast you can run a lap in your car.

Being a bunch of brand-whore fanboys that don't allow dissent (I don't go to the JL side of these boards anymore because I had an admin delete my comments on this very topic) is how an OEM gets complacent. Jeep has enjoyed a monopoly on the "real off-roader" image for a while now and the Bronco is going to make a lot of people realize they don't need that ceiling the SFA offers and how much daily quality of life they sacrifice to get it.

Just curious, do you actually own a Jeep?

Or do you and those that think like you run amok on Jeep enthusiast forums for baiting or troll?

You just admitted in your post that SFA holds a higher 'ceiling'.

I haven't seen the hate so deep as it's been the last few years. Heck, my millennial son is a JKU owner and doesn't like my JT.

Lighten up, kids. Go buy your Bronco and enjoy it. I'll keep my Jeeps, but I don't hate you for your choice..... And I'm a SFA purist by your definition.

 

[702Gladiator]

If you're comparing a built Jeep to a stock Bronco, your logic is flawed. I'm sure if someone REALLY wants to go solid front axle on a Bronco then they will be able to.

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