Built not bought or bought not built???

[Bandit’s Lair]

It’s only built not bought if you forged the gears and axles from ore you smelted after mining it from the mountains. If you didn’t do ALL that just go ahead and turn in your Jeep at the nearest Daewoo dealer and pick up your new bicycle.

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[WILDHOBO]

I'll post a couple tomorrow

I need to learn how to build suspension for the Willys pickup. I’ll be starting from scratch, and have not done it before. I’m super impressed that you built your own 4 link.

 

[DenCoGladiator]

It’s only built not bought if you forged the gears and axles from ore you smelted after mining it from the mountains. If you didn’t do ALL that just go ahead and turn in your Jeep at the nearest Daewoo dealer and pick up your new bicycle.

I've been part of other enthusiast non-Jeep forums in the past with other vehicles and this was the mentality. Unless you were machining, welding, cutting, etc. your own parts, it was not "built". Any off the shelf bolt on mod was considered bought, not built.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I've been part of other enthusiast non-Jeep forums in the past with other vehicles and this was the mentality. Unless you were machining, welding, cutting, etc. your own parts, it was not "built". Any off the shelf bolt on mod was considered bought, not built.

Those people were too rigid.

 

[Bandit’s Lair]

Those people were too rigid.

They kind of sound like Pirates!!!

 

[WILDHOBO]

They kind of sound like Pirates!!!

Hopefully they didn’t smell like them.

 

[VA6489]

I need to learn how to build suspension for the Willys pickup. I’ll be starting from scratch, and have not done it before. I’m super impressed that you built your own 4 link.

Start with a 4 link calculator. It is a computer program lots available on the internet. here is one from Busted Knuckle.

https://bustedknuckleoffroad.com/pr...kozvT3c4MQChgwrMzHzlwTgRwMaEOEEMPpxDskvG6174T

https://www.crawlpedia.com/4_link_suspension.htm

You tube anti-squat, anti dive, roll center and instant center.

Goal is to find 100% anti-squat at ride height. Busted knuckle does some videos explaining suspension design and what thterms mean and why they are important.

Next up decide on "Universal" components. For the J10 project we started with a TMR customs frame bracket and some Barnes 4WD axle Brackets for a SD 10.50. Add a truss and went from there.

caclulations:

Set ride height this is where you want the rig to set. You can do this with jack stand or a lift. WE used a lift to set ride height. From there we started to fill in the calculator

Need measure ments for:
Wheel Base
weight
CG-- this will be from ground to top of Harmonic Balancer on a LS motor.
Next up is you frame side measurements.
Axle side measurments
And control arm lengths.

Move the measurement around to get as close to 100% as you can. Note. 100% is ideal go fast anti-squat is going to be different. 100% anti-squat means the rea of the rig neither move up or down during acceleration. Why is that important check out some videos on the terms.

Front is basicly the reverse of the rear this will be anti-dive

There are limitation to where mounts go. you will have to work within these limitations.

Roll Center is important here as well. Again video explain in great detail the ins and outs of Roll Center.

 

[VA6489]

PS PM me if you have questions.

 

[MaximusTX]

For me it doesn't really matter. If you build it yourself you are getting exactly what you what you want and you know how to fix or what parts are on it. If you buy it already built you could be inheriting someone else problems or not know what parts on it or how to fix it. I had a gas JT and then decided I wanted a Diesel and was planning on building it myself when I came across a used Diesel that was pretty much the exact build that I wanted for a fraction of the price it would cost me to build it so I bought it. It was a full custom build and now a year later when I am trying to replace parts or upgrade parts it is taking a lot longer because I don't know exactly what parts are on here. I think it is one kit and order parts and turns out it is not that kit and I have to return those and order new parts. 3 months later and we are still waiting on some parts. I think there are pros and cons to both and just depends on what the individuals preferences are at the time.

 

[tysongladiator]

built , bought, it really doesn't matter. Spent the weekend installing a triangulated 4 link on a Jeep J10. No one make a kit. folks make parts.... gather the right parts and do some math and a great looing long arm 4 link is born.

Building you stuff give you a great sense of accomplishment and helps you learn about your rig. Doesn't matter if it is a kit or a collection of parts. Go turn wrenches you will be better for it.

Awww Hell!!! I'm just jealous now! We need pics!!!

 

[JTdiRtyD]

Built not bought I believe came from the old drag racing days, where guys would show up at the strip with a car that came from the factory with high HP and performance goodies. It's not about DIY'ing your own parts and not buying them off the shelf, it's about the wrench time that you put into your build. It came down to bragging rights and a right of passage if you built a high HP fast car out of something that wasn't anythign special vs showing up at the track with something that came factory ready to race. Personally I don't give a shit. I enjoy the building aspect, but if I had the means I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a Porsche GT3 that's purpose built from the manufacturer for racing.

A buddy and I were talking about similar to this over the weekend regarding off road built trucks. Sure you can go buy a ready built truck with all the doodads and gizmos, but who honestly needs all of that? And why would you want some of it? Especially when most of us are going to replace it all or render it inop anyways. But some people need to have the most expensive or nicest rig in order to feel validated, and thats fine. If they have the means to buy a ready built rig, and they have the means to pay for the repair bill because they don't know how to fix it themselves, well more power to them. They clearly did something right at some point in their life to be able to afford it all.

 

[Bandit’s Lair]

It’s only built not bought if you forged the gears and axles from ore you smelted after mining it from the mountains. If you didn’t do ALL that just go ahead and turn in your Jeep at the nearest Daewoo dealer and pick up your new bicycle.

This was my 6am response. I was partially awake.

This debate is as old as off-road shops have been around. I believe you should do what you can handle but if it’s not in your wheelhouse then get someone that knows what they’re doing to handle it. Worst thing a person can do is spend a few thousand on the lift kit they believe they want then send it straight South screwing up an install they can’t handle. When I get my lift sorted out, I won’t be installing it. I’ll let a shop do it. They have the experience and expertise to get the job done right. If someone wants to look down on me for that they can pucker up and smooch my bumper. I can do most things but I’ve learned where my limit is and going beyond that just really isn’t worth it for the sake of my pride.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

99% of Jeeps running up and down the road are stock other than some "Jeep Hair Don't Care" or leopard print or "Jeeps are for girls" stickers.

The 1% that are altered, 99% of those are a spacer lift, Methods, and 37's.

Doesn't matter, it's yours, do as you wish, enjoy how you see fit.

But I would place most Gladiators into the bought, not built category, that's the appeal, you don't have to make it, someone does, just buy it.

 

[BourbonRunner]

99% of Jeeps running up and down the road are stock other than some "Jeep Hair Don't Care" or leopard print or "Jeeps are for girls" stickers.

The 1% that are altered, 99% of those are a spacer lift, Methods, and 37's.

Doesn't matter, it's yours, do as you wish, enjoy how you see fit.

But I would place most Gladiators and Wranglers into the bought, not built category, that's the appeal, you don't have to make it, someone does, just buy it.

Fixed it for you. Otherwise you're spot on.

I don't know what it is about JLU/JKUs but it seems that there's a plethora of Bezosmart sourced color-coordinated/color contrasting doo dad equipped otherwise stock Sports running around my with a dash full of ducks and stickers with insipid sayings like "If you can read this turn me over" even though the furthest off road it will ever get is a gravel driveway.

Then there's the Tacticool™ "overlanders" with their Chinesium traction boards, HiLift, axe, shovel and RotoPax mounted out in the open for all the world to see and pilfer as they commute daily to their cube farm.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

A big point in favor of my Gladiator purchase, was the fact that, stock out of the box it'll do almost everything I want in a trail rig, in Michigan, from a daily driver.

And if I do want, need, more.. .I can just buy it, I don't have to CAD design, plasma cut, bend, weld... Like I did my Trailblazer or 4runner.

So, I get it, I have a bumper, and a winch... And I can do any trail in my state I want, as is. To anyone who sees me driving to my office, I'm sure they think I'm just another mall crawler

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