Can the JT handle 20% EtOH gas? I am being told that MN requires all gas to be this now

[PyrPatriot]

Im reading that MN no longer allows delivery/sale of gasoline that is less than 20% ethanol. If true, how does this jive with the Jeeps? Don't they have a 15% EtOH max?

ETA: read on another forum. Don't see any articles on it.

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[bleda2002]

Where did you read that? I'm checking for headlines but can't find any.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Im reading that MN no longer allows delivery/sale of gasoline that is less than 20% ethanol. If true, how does this jive with the Jeeps? Don't they have a 15% EtOH max?

They can't do that because of federal laws that say not to use more than 15% in vehicles made before certain dates, and lawn and garden equipment.

You'd better check your source.
Besides, MN is likely one of the last states to enforce such a ban of pure gasoline.
Even E15 or U88 was banned in the summer until a waiver was issued this April.

Technically speaking, not that I do, but my Eagle is prohibited from using E15 or higher because it's a 1982 (and the engine a 1994)

Anyway, here's what the federal law says about E15 and higher -

Vehicles approved for E15 use:
Flexible fuel vehicles
Conventional vehicles of model year 2001 and newer.

Vehicles prohibited from using E15:
All motorcycles
All vehicles with heavy-duty engines, such as school buses and delivery trucks
All off-road vehicles, such as boats and snowmobiles
All engines in off-road equipment, such as chain saws and gasoline lawn mowers
All conventional vehicles older than model year 2001.

I run U88 (E15) in my JT and our Wrangler now and then with no issues but I'd not go higher.

https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/ssbiofuel.pdf

 

[PyrPatriot]

Originally on another forum where someone in MN stated they tried ordering a bulk gas order but the supplier said they were no longer allowed to deliver anything lower than 20%, including ethanol free.



https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4389805&page=1#:~:text=Minnesota law requires 20% of fuel used be,E20 replaces E10 as the state's standard fuel.

 

[bleda2002]

Originally on another forum where someone in MN stated they tried ordering a bulk gas order but the supplier said they were no longer allowed to deliver anything lower than 20%, including ethanol free.



https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4389805&page=1#:~:text=Minnesota law requires 20% of fuel used be,E20 replaces E10 as the state's standard fuel.

Tim Pawlenty hasn't been the governor in years. Also if says the EPA would have to approve it

 

[Idlethunder]

Looks like that article was originally written back in 2008
https://csnews.com/ethanol-blended-gas-could-rise-e10-e20

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Originally on another forum where someone in MN stated they tried ordering a bulk gas order but the supplier said they were no longer allowed to deliver anything lower than 20%, including ethanol free.



https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4389805&page=1#:~:text=Minnesota law requires 20% of fuel used be,E20 replaces E10 as the state's standard fuel.

I've read the MN laws and it's written as such so that it follow the EPA.
It says the state goes to 20 IF the EPA says 20 is legal/ok. Otherwise it follows the highest allowed by federal law.
That way they don't have to pass a new law every 5 years.

MN follows the highest allowed by the feds.
Currently, the feds only allow 15 - and then only in the winter unless a waiver is issued to allow summer use.
A waver HAS been issued this year and I believe last year as well, in response to world events.
So 15 didn't go away with spring/summer this year as normal - you can still buy U88 (E15) this summer because of the April waiver.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Originally on another forum where someone in MN stated..............

Sort of explains it...

 

[BAT]

Thank goodness we can get plenty of Ethanol free fuel down here

 

[saintpauljeff]

Looks like that article was originally written back in 2008
https://csnews.com/ethanol-blended-gas-could-rise-e10-e20

its pretty strange that the ABC News version has no date attached to their article

also, I hadn't seen/heard about this on the local news and I usually watch daily

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Date doesn't really matter. Apparently no one actually read the article. There are a lot of "ifs" and it's talking about the rule being 20% of fuel sold to be ethanol. Not E20.
.........requires 20% of fuel used to be ethanol within a few years. That means if they sell enough E85, that counts against the 20% of all fuel sold rule. So selling E85 balances out meaning less E10 or better must be sold as E85 is ~85% ethanol.
Look carefully - requires 20% of fuel used to be ethanol, not requires fuel to be 20% ethanol.
So for every 100 gallons TOTAL fuel sold, 20% of that fuel content, 20 gallons of that 100 total, must be ethanol.

Making that forum post this came from even more goofy, one only needs to look at the FEDERAL rules/laws. EPA isn't about to approve it at this time.
Too many engines are required to NOT burn ethanol over 10% - if even that.

Ironic MN would have such a law since Iowa trounces MN in corn production, hands down, almost double.
Only IL is even close, everyone else is way down.

 

[SURF&TURF]

Date doesn't really matter. Apparently no one actually read the article. There are a lot of "ifs" and it's talking about the rule being 20% of fuel sold to be ethanol. Not E20.
.........requires 20% of fuel used to be ethanol within a few years. That means if they sell enough E85, that counts against the 20% of all fuel sold rule. So selling E85 balances out meaning less E10 or better must be sold as E85 is ~85% ethanol.
Look carefully - requires 20% of fuel used to be ethanol, not requires fuel to be 20% ethanol.
So for every 100 gallons TOTAL fuel sold, 20% of that fuel content, 20 gallons of that 100 total, must be ethanol.

Making that forum post this came from even more goofy, one only needs to look at the FEDERAL rules/laws. EPA isn't about to approve it at this time.
Too many engines are required to NOT burn ethanol over 10% - if even that.

Ironic MN would have such a law since Iowa trounces MN in corn production, hands down, almost double.
Only IL is even close, everyone else is way down.

You are correct Iowa is 1st in Corn production. When I lived there you could actually hear the Corn growing during the night!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You are correct Iowa is 1st in Corn production. When I lived there you could actually hear the Corn growing during the night!

I've not looked recently, but there was a corn cam setup years ago - you could get on the internet and see it.
We also have beat FL in dew point at least once due to corn sweat. 100% humidity, 91 degrees, 91 degree dew point. The ground stunk, nothing dried, the weeds I had killed with roundup rotted to mush, didn't dry up and turn brown. They turned black and slimy.

Anyway, I just found it ironic about the MN law - but saying anything further risks being warned.

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