Class action lawsuit against fca

[jsalbre]

I’m not sure if the noise I’m hearing is the same tick. It’s almost a diesel-like sound, just off idle RPM under load. I notice it moving my travel trailer around parking lots.

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[3213JT]

Hummm…… when I was buying mine in March of 2020, the first one I wanted had that loud tick and the Jeep shop said, ‘that’s normal’. I could hear it from inside the cab and I didn’t like it. I tested my current JT and I could hear a low tick once it warmed up but only when standing in front of the Jeep while it’s running. ?‍ The 2014 JKUR I traded in had no tick.

 

[jeepinmike]

Dang you guys have me all nervous now thinking the ticking mine makes isn't normal. Thoughts?

 

[glassjawkid32]

Dang you guys have me all nervous now thinking the ticking mine makes isn't normal. Thoughts?

That sounds pretty Normal to me. Mine I can hear over ALL of that.

 

[chorky]

That sounds pretty Normal to me. Mine I can hear over ALL of that.

care to share a video please?

 

[glassjawkid32]

care to share a video please?

I'm having trouble uploading the file. I'll probably have to film another one at a lower resolution.

 

[White Betty]

Dang you guys have me all nervous now thinking the ticking mine makes isn't normal. Thoughts?

Mine sounds exactly the same.

 

[kad's_Glad]

I’m not sure if the noise I’m hearing is the same tick. It’s almost a diesel-like sound, just off idle RPM under load. I notice it moving my travel trailer around parking lots.

I've noticed a diesel-like sound on my '22 Mojave. For me it is as I go up a hill that leads away from my home. I'm going around 30mph and the incline is about 4% (+100 ft over about 500 yards). Not awful, but noticeable each time. Just wish I was getting the mileage of a diesel to go along with the diesel-like engine knock of my gasser.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Dang you guys have me all nervous now thinking the ticking mine makes isn't normal. Thoughts?

Sounds like a 3.6 running with the hood open........ I guess I didn't hear anything abnormal. But then recording something with a phone microphone and then playing it back on a phone or computer, a lot gets lost.

 

[jeepinmike]

Ok thats good i guess the lifter noise e

Sounds like a 3.6 running with the hood open........ I guess I didn't hear anything abnormal. But then recording something with a phone microphone and then playing it back on a phone or computer, a lot gets lost.

Alright thanks I figured its just the ticking of the fuel injectors etc at this point but it does sound like a diesel at times. Runs fine and oil is kept up. It doesn't get driven much (maybe 6000 miles a year.) That video was recorded on a cold startup so if it sounds ok to you guys I'm ok.

 

[glady8or]

" audible ticking sound, engine misfires resulting in bucking and surging, decreased engine performance, hesitation, loss of power, premature wear on internal components and eventually catastrophic engine failure. "

I have all this up to failure. The ticking has been there almost since day one....Loss of power and hesitation has also been there since I bought. I have the 2020 gladiator and I believe it is the same engine as the wranglers up to that point if i remember correctly...

 

[glassjawkid32]

care to share a video please?

Hopefully this works but you can hear the sound pretty well in the video.

@kscoke does this sound familiar?

 

[chorky]

Hopefully this works but you can hear the sound pretty well in the video.

@kscoke does this sound familiar?

Oh yuck. :-( Man I hope to not have to deal with that same issue. That sounds more like a rod knock or bad bearing in the lower end, not top end stuff though.

 

[glassjawkid32]

Oh yuck. :-( Man I hope to not have to deal with that same issue. That sounds more like a rod knock or bad bearing in the lower end, not top end stuff though.

Yeah it can definitely be heard more clearly through the bottom, but engine sounds can trick you sometimes. Whatever it is I hope they fix it when I go in on Monday instead of "could not recreate". The sound tends to go away once it is warmed up.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have the 2020 gladiator and I believe it is the same engine as the wranglers up to that point if i remember correctly...

Yes, other than likely tune differences, the same basic engine.

I find it interesting when doing more research on the "issues" that the people in the know who have dived into the details say the first gen 3.6 had left head issues due to valve seat problems, and it was the even numbered bank, on the left and that it was resolved (save for some issues still coming out of the plant in Mexico) and that it wasn't cam related while others say it's cam issues that caused the head to wear. Hmmm, that sounds odd.....
And then the lawsuit is lumping all sorts of things together and claiming it's all the same cause even among different generations of engines. They are basically saying the issue that was resolved and was left head is still the same issue experienced today years later.
The more I read, the more I believe someone who isn't mechanically inclined at all is simply lumping all 3.6 cam and head issues together and saying nothing was changed in all of these years. That part is simply not true.

There had to be certain changes put into place to support the VVL system, and of course the cam was redesigned, the rockers (followers) were redesigned to some extent, etc.
Further, there's evidence that some of the issues were from the plant in Mexico and U.S. made engines didn't have the same problem because it was manufacturing problems - which one report says were resolved.

I really don't expect this particular law suit to go very far. Any good mechanic or engineer will take it apart.

I'm not suggesting there have been no problems, and I'm certainly not suggesting there isn't a problem at this point in time, but my bet is that the causes are diverse while the symptoms are similar or the same. It's like when you feel sick and run a fever with certain symptoms - the number of causes are many, the symptoms nearly the same.
It's not really different with modern engines.
This suite is attempting to lump all issues into the same cause when what I find indicates that's clearly not the case - at least for those not personally or emotionally involved or attached to the issue(s).

It would be interesting in any case to see where this specific suit goes.

The sound tends to go away once it is warmed up.

And that tends to point to piston slap or valve train noise. Rods and mains don't typically "sound better" with a warm up......... but valve train sounds can as parts expand, same with piston slap.

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