DAVECS1 TUNES Now Officially offering Supercharger Tune Support!!!

[JTPatriot]

Congrats! It is about time and you deserve this!

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[DAVECS1]

I'm glad someone is putting in the effort to offer this service. The HP Tuners equipment + credits required to load the tune is over $1,000 though, which means it doesn't make much sense for us plebs with stock motors.

It is quite a bit of money, not sure on the exact dollar. The problem I have, it has been just as much time to create that tune as the others, and the product support is the same. That is what I am working on managing is the time.

 

[just_another_guy]

It is quite a bit of money, not sure on the exact dollar. The problem I have, it has been just as much time to create that tune as the others, and the product support is the same. That is what I am working on managing is the time.

I don't think your prices are out of line at all, it's just a bummer that the HP Tuners equipment is so expensive

 

[Mjolnir]

I am not sure if there is a HP gain so to speak. What I do is remap your torque delivery so your Jeep is more tolerant to NVratio changes, similar to a big block. The trans looks for available torque and with the current cam settings the VE and torque are cut short for linear torque gain. If we map aggression in the trans it is pretty obvious when someone is pulling larger tires and stock gear sets. As such you can map a shift schedule for that AS THERE ARE 96 AVAILABLE AND 5 USED. Once you do that you can pair those new shift points, with new valve timing to shift torque downward. So now as you change wheels and drive modes we have shift mapping and valve timing that delivers torque so the jeep never feels like it looses power.

Along with this I optimize timing and fueling so it all feels smoother and runs more adequate without the controls having to catch timing and do timing control.

Ahh gotcha. I am not privvy to understanding these things so i appreciate the detailed answer! Still will be something I will look into doing in the near future (once it is not as cold out and i get other stuff that has been sitting for 5 months out of the way) LOL

 

[cmb396]

congrats on the new endeavor! You have blessed me with more than enough time and info over the last few weeks. I was going to pay you regardless for your time and help once I finally get to that point. I finalized a deal last night to buy a magnuson, so it wont be long until I am ready to purchase your pulley tune!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yes, this captain of controls, enchanter of ECM, magus of Magnuson is one of the few I'd ever leave my truck with for such mods and tuning.
I can't see how he balances all of this with family (younger family at that) job and such. I'm retired and still can't keep up - and my kids are off with families of their own.
But then I used to get by on 4 or 5 hours of sleep a night, too, in my younger days.

 

[DAVECS1]

Yes, this captain of controls, enchanter of ECM, magus of Magnuson is one of the few I'd ever leave my truck with for such mods and tuning.
I can't see how he balances all of this with family (younger family at that) job and such. I'm retired and still can't keep up - and my kids are off with families of their own.
But then I used to get by on 4 or 5 hours of sleep a night, too, in my younger days.

You all are too kind. The reason for formalization is the reasons Papa spoke of. Also I am well aware of how frustrating it is to get awesome iron, that you paid good money for, and have it make your ride ho hum. Especially when you are well aware the hardware can support hyper travel LOL.

 

[rmnpjunky]

To All,
I have decided to now start offering pre-built tunes, ready to flash. A little background: I did not start tuning my Gladiator with the intention of having a business or making money, I have a day job, and a beautiful family, they come first. The Gladiator is my daily driver and hot rodding is my hobby, for now I am trying to keep it that way. I started offering my tune free of charge on this forum as a way to contribute to the Jeep community, to have fun and conversation with others. It has done just that, and it really has been great, getting to know everyone, and learning about some killer rides.

For all those wondering how or why I jumped in and made a tune. I have worked in the automotive and construction industry as an embedded controls designer for 20+ years. When I bought my Gladiator, I noticed it had, what I would call, less than finished calibrations spots, but nothing that worried me to much or was much worse than many other OEM cars I have driven. When Magnuson started offering their supercharger for the Gladiator, I saw an opportunity to get the power level of my Gladiator closer to what I had in my Ram without too much investment, and I have always had a good experience with Magnuson kits, so I went for it. I jumped on the band wagon pretty early and did not realize that the history of Jeeps and superchargers with the 3.6L has been a rocky road. I told my wife I would bolt the kit on and leave it alone. Well after a couple months, I no longer could ignore some of the strange things my Jeep was doing with the supercharger installed, and dove in to make some drivability tweaks. The Magnuson and Jeep calibration is useable and fine, if that is what people prefer, but they were not the performance level I prefer in my rides. The rest is history documented on the forum, I ended up way down the rabbit hole, with data acquisition, dyno sessions, and a crazy amount of road datalogging, from myself and others I worked with on the forum (much appreciated by the way).

With all this said, what I did not anticipate, is the number of people that wanted help with their Jeeps tuning, supercharger or not. Over the past 20 months the volume of phone calls an emails has rapidly grown. I posted tunes and help guides on the website to help, and I believe it did a bit, but also an unintended consequence is, it has kind of created a beacon and pulled in a bunch more curious jeepers. So the support side of this has taken on a life of its own.

I never want to short change someone with this. I want everyone to have fun like I am, so I do my best to answer all question, and provide assistance the best I can. Everyone has been very cool.
In a bid to help simplify things for the users of my tunes and myself, I have decided to start offering ready to flash tunes. I am going to be charging a bit for the ready to flash tunes. The non-pulley tunes for copy currently on my older posts will still be available for copy on the forum, and will still be free, but there will be limited technical support. Future revisions will go into the ready to flash tunes I am requiring a product support payment for.

My thoughts: I am charging for the ready to flash support for a couple reasons. I feel the need to recoup a bit of my time as it has become significant time sink. I have also invested a bit into the tools to get a ready to flash file. Last but not least I am doing my best, to fairly prioritize those who need assistance.

I hope everyone understands, and I look forward seeing more high performance Jeeps!

Dave - I wish you a ton of success! your tune was the only thing that prevented me from unbolting that Maggy from my truck - thank you and good luck !

 

[stickshifter]

Ok all I have some videos. Don't laugh to hard. I am not video picture guy. My producer is 9

Great work with the tuning - I know you have been at this for a while - congrats! But your producer is the real star of these videos - this made my day!

 

[DAVECS1]

I 100% agree. She has actually been watching car shows with me and asking me questions on how they got the voice overs and music with the shots. I have been seeing if there is some editing software for beginners she can start messing with. She seems to be intrigued!!!

 

[Dim]

what a great news. now since we have someone like Dave for the support i can definitely consider the Mag

Thanks a lot Dave

 

[dcmdon]

If I had the money I know where it would be going.
Not looking for HP gains, just making it more usable.
Not looking for big mpg gains, what it does is ok but maybe the transmission mapping could make it a tad more like it used to be.
I want to tow, and that it does pretty well but I want it to not hunt so bad, and have the power to stay in 8th and not drop back to 6th or 5th with a bit of wind or a small hill on the highway when NOT towing.
When it changed gears multiple times in a mile it's pretty sad. Towing it's got guts so I know the engine has it, just when not towing it's not great.

I have no doubt that Dave's tune would be much better than what I'm about to suggest. I'm really like to see a NA tune from him.

But - in my old car I got in the habit of putting it into M6 (top gear) when on the highway. Then if I leaned on the throttle a bit it would torque its way up the hill but if I needed bigger acceleration all I need to do was slide it into D or bump it down 2 gears to 4th.

I've started doing this with my Gladiator. I set the cruise at 73 and put it in M8. It can maintain that speed with ease even on the interstates in NH. And I don't cringe when it drops 2 gears every time the road rises a bit

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'm talking shifts in the torque curve, etc. Shifting manually still doesn't do what I'm talking about.

Monday I drove 10 miles in 7th because it didn't have the guts to get up to 8th and hold 75 mph. I was turning 2500 RPM just to keep the speed at 75. That's pretty sad. I was not towing, truck was empty except for me.
There was some wind.
Then Tuesday was almost as bad - most of my trip was 7th, down to 6th now and then just to maintain 70 mph. It did hit 8th when I went around a corner and a grove of trees blocked some of the wind, then past the trees back down to 7th, 6th, then back to 7th.
I've driven 15 minutes in 7th gear on I80/35 on the north side of Des Moines because of a little headwind - I was doing 70-75.

 

[brianinca]

PCM-0J-927AA
So that's what I found at Summit, $700 - is that what we need to load a tune?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpt-pcm-0j-927aa/make/jeep/model/gladiator/year/2020#overview

I'm using a Banks to get rid of the flat spot off the line, it's not an ideal solution. I tow a big trailer once in awhile, I don't feel like the factory tune adds anything to the mix.

Super interested in the NA tune for now! Great to see another business start in the Jeep world!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

PCM-0J-927AA
So that's what I found at Summit, $700 - is that what we need to load a tune?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpt-pcm-0j-927aa/make/jeep/model/gladiator/year/2020#overview

I'm using a Banks to get rid of the flat spot off the line, it's not an ideal solution. I tow a big trailer once in awhile, I don't feel like the factory tune adds anything to the mix.

Super interested in the NA tune for now! Great to see another business start in the Jeep world!

That's a PCM - I believe you still need a way to load a tune to it. It's unlocked to replace your locked original PCM.

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