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I would actually disagree with that...the colder weather will shrink the metal, causing loosness that otherwise wouldn’t be there in warmer weather. Rubber Bushings also get harder and less pliable. I wouldn’t dismiss the cold weather...
I would tend to agree, however I'd have to think that if the small change is size from colder temps is causing it then something is simply just not torqued to the right specs and that could also wear things prematurely.

Hopefully replacing that trackbar will help but I'd like to believe the dealer has properly checked all the suspension components. I'm not holding my breath though since they simply replaced a steering stabilizer last time around.
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Hi @ajaj96,

We are sorry to hear that you have these concerns with your Jeep Gladiator. If you would like assistance while at the dealer, please send our team a message.

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What exactly is it that your team can help me with? I've attempted to convince my dealer that the issue could potentially be fixed by replacing the steering box but they have yet to acknowledge that. Elmwood Jeep in East Providence Rhode Island. I've basically driven they're entire rental fleet at this point so if you can help them fully sort my vehicle, I'm sure they would greatly appreciate it as would I.
 

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What exactly is it that your team can help me with? I've attempted to convince my dealer that the issue could potentially be fixed by replacing the steering box but they have yet to acknowledge that. Elmwood Jeep in East Providence Rhode Island. I've basically driven they're entire rental fleet at this point so if you can help them fully sort my vehicle, I'm sure they would greatly appreciate it as would I.
We would have a case escalated to a Jeep Wave Specialist for additional communication and support while your Jeep is in service. If you would like assistance, please send our team a message with your VIN, mileage, and dealer to get started.

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I had death wobble on my JKU running 35s. I replaced the tie rod, drag link, track bar, and swapped in a ProRock 44 front axle with Dynatrac ball joints. Rock solid after that. Did I need to do all that to get rid of the DW? Probably not. But Wranglers/JTs even stock, can experience wear at the tie rod ends and in the ball joints that can result in DW. Personally, I think they should come from the factory with better front end steering components. Beefier stuff is available in the aftermarket, and it always seems to resolve DW, so it seems that Jeep should up their game. Some people running 37s or larger are putting in the PSC steering kit which runs close to $3,000. I don’t have experience with that.

I don’t understand the issue below 45 degrees some folks have - but I respect the experience. It needs to get below 32 for water to freeze - so the idea that water is freezing in the tire is possible - but at a temp quite a bit colder than 45, so perhaps 2 different issues there.

There are a lot of good resources online to learn about DW, so I’d suggest the OP do a little digging. A better steering stabilizer, though, is not your solution. As others have said, that is a bandaid masking the real issue.

This seems like a good resource:
https://www.extremeterrain.com/wrangler-jeep-death-wobble.html

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Temperature can absolutely change things drastically...

If you have water in your tires, it can freeze and throw off balance when you start out cold. Once tires warm up, the issue goes away because the water melts and spreads around inside the tire evening out the balance again.

The water comes from inflating with high moisture air.

I had this happen to me...so I KNOW it happens. The amount of water was minimal...the shaking in the car when cold was dramatic.
While it doesn't sound like freezing is the issue (temps of 38 and 45 mentioned), tire balance/roundness issues can absolutely cause death wobble. We chased death wobble all over the place with my son's XJ last year and replaced a lot of parts (after swapping tires front to back). On a whim, we swapped all of the wheels/tires from my LJ onto his XJ, and it drove perfectly. He took his to a tire shop and found 3 of the 4 tires were out of balance. That fixed it for a while, but then he was back getting them rebalanced a few weeks later (no offroading during this time). Ultimately he replaced his tires and hasn't looked back.

While I have not experienced tire issues related to temperature directly, I know others have had issues, but I don't know what the root cause is. On a larger scale, I believe Continental(?) had similar issues as OEM tires for other vehicle brands.

Bottom line, I would look into the tires after getting the steering box replaced. A manufacturing defect could be the issue. Swap them with another set if possible as a test. Maybe look into road force balancing as well. Also agree with others that the steering stabilizer isn't the cause.
 

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While it doesn't sound like freezing is the issue (temps of 38 and 45 mentioned), tire balance/roundness issues can absolutely cause death wobble. We chased death wobble all over the place with my son's XJ last year and replaced a lot of parts (after swapping tires front to back). On a whim, we swapped all of the wheels/tires from my LJ onto his XJ, and it drove perfectly. He took his to a tire shop and found 3 of the 4 tires were out of balance. That fixed it for a while, but then he was back getting them rebalanced a few weeks later (no offroading during this time). Ultimately he replaced his tires and hasn't looked back.

While I have not experienced tire issues related to temperature directly, I know others have had issues, but I don't know what the root cause is. On a larger scale, I believe Continental(?) had similar issues as OEM tires for other vehicle brands.

Bottom line, I would look into the tires after getting the steering box replaced. A manufacturing defect could be the issue. Swap them with another set if possible as a test. Maybe look into road force balancing as well. Also agree with others that the steering stabilizer isn't the cause.
So I have 37 MT's on my Gladiator. No water in the tires as they are new. But when cold out, I do get some slight vibrations until the tires warm up....then nothing...smooth as silk. Figure its the rubber and the fact I do not drive my truck daily...so its sits and the tires can take a set in the cold.

So to the OP...does this happen when tires are cold?
 

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Trust me dude it's completely weather related. The ride of my jeep completely changed in the cold as well. It gets much bouncier and Death Wobble only occurs when it's below 45°. I've been able to replicate it at least 20 times over the past year and it's only in the cold weather.
This would indicate to me the tires being a factor. Bump up your tire pressures 5-10 lbs and see if it will still do it in the cold.
 

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About 4 years ago the wife's 07 JKUR had the death wobble. Tried just about everything that I could think of and nothing worked. Finally ended up replacing the ball joints with heavy duty rebuildable ones from Dynatrac. A little pricey but haven't had the wobble since.

My JT will be getting them at the first sign of any wobble.
 

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Absolutely. It's 100% cold weather related. The ride stiffening up is also strange to me and feels like they have to be related in some way. It gets much more jarring over bumps which I think is causing more vibrations leading to DW. I could be wrong but I have a suspicion that they are related.
I'm glad I read this thread...I felt like I was going crazy. I'm about to roll 30k miles on mine. I have the 3.5" skyjacker coil spring lift and started experiencing DW last winter. I live in SE Texas and so winter last year wasn't much cooler than the low 40's but definitely noticed that everything got rougher and the steering just felt on the verge of DW anytime I was driving at ~45 mpg. I replaced the stabilizer with the Fox ts 2.0 and it actually felt like it got worse. I installed the synergy sector shaft and track bar brace and that seemed to take care of it. I took my jeep in to the dealer in late August to get the steering box replaced and 7 weeks later got it back. My wife and I decided to go to Houston on the first cool morning of the season (~50°) and hit a bump on the way out of our hood and full blown DW...again. I've replaced the track bar and sway bar links, checked tightness on everything and am at a loss. I did not get DW from March to October. I had it last winter and am getting it now that its cool again- it drives like 2 different vehicles based on temp. I just ordered the Metalcloak steering kit and hope that will take care of it.
 

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Well maybe I guess, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense and have never heard of or saw it being weather related. It would make more sense for it to happen when it's hot rather than cold because of the heat and friction being greater and causing things to be more loose. But I guess there's a first time.
The steering dampener may be more effective at masking it in warmer weather. My JL never had death wobble but it had a shimmy (not so scary like DW) and it would vary in severity with the temperature.

Have your dealership check the caster angle with the front suspension, too. Many on JL forum have solved their problem with adjustable lower control arms where they could change the caster angle.
 

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So I have 37 MT's on my Gladiator. No water in the tires as they are new. But when cold out, I do get some slight vibrations until the tires warm up....then nothing...smooth as silk. Figure its the rubber and the fact I do not drive my truck daily...so its sits and the tires can take a set in the cold.

So to the OP...does this happen when tires are cold?
What you're experiencing seems plausible.
 

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The linkage on the JL and JT is weak. My replacement track bar is twice the weight of stock and my ride firmed up substantially.
 

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The steering dampener may be more effective at masking it in warmer weather. My JL never had death wobble but it had a shimmy (not so scary like DW) and it would vary in severity with the temperature.

Have your dealership check the caster angle with the front suspension, too. Many on JL forum have solved their problem with adjustable lower control arms where they could change the caster angle.
I suspect it happens when it's cold because of the lower air temp reducing the tire pressure. My Gladiator will go full death wobble with the tires at 35psi but over 40psi it never happens. Wrangler owners have noticed this pressure correlation as well.
 

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What you're experiencing seems plausible.
When I lived in MN the cold would cause the tires to flat spot until the rubber heated up and became pliable. It was like driving on cinderblocks and you had to go slow until they warmed up.
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