Diesel gladiators-unicorns?

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

I guess this crushes my fantasy of having a manual ecodiesel one day. It was always a pipedream anyway

You would have a lot of fun with the turbo lag on top of the clutch.

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[WoolyKris]

The short answer is no, unless you park it away and wrap in shrink wrap for at least decade a daily driver will not appreciate in value over time, quite the opposite… I have this conversation with every Mustang/Camaro/Charger owner at my work. Sorry to break it to you bud but your very very special car is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, and with electric cars taking market by storm only select few Dino vehicles will be sought after in the future. Something like horse carriages after introduction of internal combustion, it is safer to stick to index funds if you want to invest like a big boy. On a side note jeep is definitely dropping VM Motori soon.

 

[Rusty PW]

i wonder in a couple years of the diesel will be sought after since it was only in production for 2 yearish. edit: i know its not officially gone on the gladdy, but why would they only do it on the jeeps going forward honestly?

Jeep could be hanging on to it for the fleet CAFE numbers.

 

[Rusty PW]

The short answer is no, unless you park it away and wrap in shrink wrap for at least decade a daily driver will not appreciate in value over time, quite the opposite… I have this conversation with every Mustang/Camaro/Charger owner at my work. Sorry to break it to you bud but your very very special car is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, and with electric cars taking market by storm only select few Dino vehicles will be sought after in the future. Something like horse carriages after introduction of internal combustion, it is safer to stick to index funds if you want to invest like a big boy. On a side note jeep is definitely dropping VM Motori soon.

VM Motori is wholly owned by Stellantis. So there is a family link there for the time being.

 

[fourfa]

Have a look at the short 2018-2021 run of diesel F-150s; do they command a higher resale price? More so than the extra you had to pay to get the diesel in the first place? Same will shortly be true with the diesel Colorado/Canyon. Plenty of data to work with here. "Diesel truck" is definitely not a unicorn; "diesel Jeep" isn't either; I guess the question is whether "diesel Jeep truck" is so unique as to be a unicorn.

It kinda is to me. I bought one specifically because: diesel, can easily take big tires, SFA, Rubicon goodies, and truck bed for space and a roomy pop-up camper. There was a diesel ZR2 but honestly something about that truck makes my skin crawl. I can't imagine there are enough people like me to keep prices high though

 

[Deleted member 47279]

The short answer is no, unless you park it away and wrap in shrink wrap for at least decade a daily driver will not appreciate in value over time, quite the opposite… I have this conversation with every Mustang/Camaro/Charger owner at my work. Sorry to break it to you bud but your very very special car is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, and with electric cars taking market by storm only select few Dino vehicles will be sought after in the future. Something like horse carriages after introduction of internal combustion, it is safer to stick to index funds if you want to invest like a big boy. On a side note jeep is definitely dropping VM Motori soon.

in a few years, the only thing stock on it will be the VIN plate lol oh well, if this thing lasts me 5 years ill be happy.

 

[portalgun]

if this was just a standard truck then I would say no, being that it's an off roader which is already the hottest rising segment in appreciating cars and diesels have a special love and place in off roaders hearts then yes. This will at least depreciate on a level even slower than what Wranglers and Gladiators already do. In the not so distant electric future I think it will appreciate quickly.

 

[John in the Woods]

I’m not worried about resale. I’ll be buried in this thing.

I am looking forward to the day a decade or so from now when some enthusiastic newbie hears me rolling up the trail and says “I didn’t know that came with a diesel!”

I preordered when it was announced and took it home in the first weeks it was hitting the street. Used to happen all the time. I love this truck, and I like the idea of being a once and future unicorn.

 

[Jteakus]

I bought my JT and JL Rubicon diesels for the torque and the MPG. The choice was easy compared to the other powerplants offered.

 

[Teqsand]

I bought my JT and JL Rubicon diesels for the torque and the MPG. The choice was easy compared to the other powerplants offered.

Same with us...

 

[Hootbro]

I’m not worried about resale. I’ll be buried in this thing.

I said the same thing for the last 15 vehicles I have owned. Never worked out that way for me.

I think going forward, support for the diesel is going to depend on how long it stays in production, actual numbers built and if any other platforms continue to use it here or globally after it stops being put in a Gladiator.

A case example can be the 5.0 CUMMINS that was put in and sold in the Nissan Titan for 4 model years before being discontinued in 2019. It sold miserably and to my knowledge, it is not used in another current vehicle platform. Nissan basically stopped procuring any repair part spares and CUMMINS is not going to produce anymore spare since there is no mass orders pending for it. Basically has made the 5.0 CUMMINS a 100K mile motor due to EGR problem and no available spares. Aftermarket remains to be seen.

 

[Rainman519]

If you follow the trends, the eco-diesel is the first domino to fall in the transition to electric. Ford confirmed the discontinuation of their 3.0 V-6 turbo-diesel in the F-150, and Stellantis is following suit. IMHO, there's no way they'll continue to produce an eco-diesel powerplant for the Jeep line after Ram discontinuation. Not an ideal situation, but I'm afraid we're seeing the writing on the wall. Prices for used units will flatten-out and higher prices for diesels won't be the norm as they have been.

 

[sharpsicle]

If anyone is trying to convince themselves that any vehicle purchase is an "investment" in something, then you're just fooling yourself. Whether or not the eco-diesel gets axed from the Gladiator isn't going to change the fact that these vehicles are not appreciating investments and shouldn't be treated that way in the slightest.

I can think of a ton of other vehicle/engine combos that got axed after a couple years, and they really don't become "highly sought after" or more valuable when that happens. Their deprecation stays on-par with their other motor counterparts. All they become is a "that's neat" conversation piece, which holds little real-world value. The only time you get any real value out of that difference is after they're dead and being parted out, but at that point you've already absorbed the deprecation. Heck, the eco-diesels aren't even considered high-end motors that most gearheads are looking for, they're just another over-regulated diesel. These aren't LS-powered Gladiators we're talking about here...

To ever get to a "unicorn" state where these things truly become collectibles, the entire Gladiator line would need to be axed, and then you'd have to wait a decade or two. Then they might become that. Until that happens, this is a net-bad situation for diesel owners as replacement parts are going to be harder to find and current diesels are going to become more valuable stripped for parts than they are as a complete truck.

 

[Jteakus]

If Chevy would drop the LT5, anything can get the ax.

 

[Divided_Wood]

If anyone is trying to convince themselves that any vehicle purchase is an "investment" in something, then you're just fooling yourself. Whether or not the eco-diesel gets axed from the Gladiator isn't going to change the fact that these vehicles are not appreciating investments and shouldn't be treated that way in the slightest.

I can think of a ton of other vehicle/engine combos that got axed after a couple years, and they really don't become "highly sought after" or more valuable when that happens. Their deprecation stays on-par with their other motor counterparts. All they become is a "that's neat" conversation piece, which holds little real-world value. The only time you get any real value out of that difference is after they're dead and being parted out, but at that point you've already absorbed the deprecation. Heck, the eco-diesels aren't even considered high-end motors that most gearheads are looking for, they're just another over-regulated diesel. These aren't LS-powered Gladiators we're talking about here...

To ever get to a "unicorn" state where these things truly become collectibles, the entire Gladiator line would need to be axed, and then you'd have to wait a decade or two. Then they might become that. Until that happens, this is a net-bad situation for diesel owners as replacement parts are going to be harder to find and current diesels are going to become more valuable stripped for parts than they are as a complete truck.

Amen. Anyone buying ANY modern vehicle as an investment is fooling themselves. The insane used market of the last few years has got people thinking their vehicles won't depreciate in the future. Bad thinking... it's a vehicle, not an investment vehicle. (See what I did there?)

I'll gladly enjoy my diesel Gladiator for as long as I can, but I'm not optimistic about support in, say, 10 years.

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