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I love my Mojave it rides amazing, but it doesn't ride as good as a stock rubicon anymore. Having a stock truck to go back to, really points out where you have "ruined" your truck.
How did you ruin the ride? Time and abuse, or 37s, heavier front end with winch/bumper, etc.?

You've got a lot of input already, but I'd go diesel for pure "is it really worth twice the price?"
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How did you ruin the ride? Time and abuse, or 37s, heavier front end with winch/bumper, etc.?

You've got a lot of input already, but I'd go diesel for pure "is it really worth twice the price?"
by ruined i don't mean its fucked. The 37s are the majority of notice. Its alot of weight to cycle. My Mojave use to win comfort and ride wise on highway, twisties, and the fast offroad stuff. The Rubicon did piddling about on your avg slower city road and rocky trails. My mojave is still better ride wise plus it now takes the cake in the rocky trails now too. But I can't say its as comfortable as the rubicon on road. I made her loud, responsive and playful. Its great, I love my Mojave, I speed almost everywhere and hit random shit on the road cus its fun. But for the days you just wanna relax, the all stock Rubicon is that mundane comfort you can just melt into. I know they are almost the exact same truck but the way i have it. Its the Magic School Bus vs a normal bus. Sometimes you don't want the adventure. If you get in my Mojave. The doors are off, you'll be blaring Chevelle, you wore your best cologne, and you chirp tires every light, and swing it or jump it whenever you can. But when your 6 hours short on sleep and you got a 12 hour shift in front of you. The last thing you want is what I just mentioned.
 

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Gotcha. Other than weight / performance, I would have thought 37s would make a better ride. More tire to roll over obstacles and pot holes. Did you regear that you're chirping off the line?

Now you're making me second guess the diesel, because it would be great with a 392. But you can still get a better suspension aftermarket to cover the loss, and whatever hood you want.
 
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Gotcha. Other than weight / performance, I would have thought 37s would make a better ride. More tire to roll over obstacles and pot holes. Did you regear that you're chirping off the line?

Now you're making me second guess the diesel, because it would be great with a 392. But you can still get a better suspension aftermarket to cover the loss, and whatever hood you want.
No I'm still on 4.10s. Pedal Monster helps. I'd like 4.88s tho. the 37s I don't think you can get over its cons on any setup. we have solid axles so any ground clearance height you add tire wise gives the road leverage against your truck. You can get around this with more lift to soak or just revalve or upgrade the shocks. I have 2 sets of Mojave shocks in rotation. I'm waiting for the one to come back, its tuned for my setup. Then I'll send in my current installed set to match or get revalved to match hemi weight if i pull the trigger. The big plus with the Mojave shocks, is that they are rebuildable and retuneable. So unless your trying to get more than 2 inches of lift, there's no point in getting rid of em. Nothing else on market comes with 2.5 Elites, albeit we don't get the tuning dials. but still. The issue i'm running into with the deisel is that is sits lower than a hemi, and hemi already requires extra bumpstop spacing to prevent front axle contact with squishy bits. The Mojaves ability to cycle front suspension may not be recreateable with a diesel, and it also may not be with a hemi. Which is why I'm looking for a 392 JLXR to get suspension notes off of to see if i can Frankenstein it with some Fox Elites to keep the Mojave, a Mojave. If it turns out I cannot. I may just supercharge the 3.6 and buy a spare 3.6 from rubitrux for just in case. I'm not willing to budge on the assembly function of the Mojave front. Its exactly what I want. It strikes that balance I need in a do it all rig.

Jeep was onto something when they made the Mojave. I love and I need it to do just a bit more than stock. Its the only reason I've spent months researching and flipping rocks. i want my cake and i want to eat it too. And I'ma be pissed if i give up and just go to the diesel for someone else a year later figure out how to get the Mojave combo I've always wanted. I feel like a lot of Jeepers get use standard way off lifting for bigger tires and they give up that whole assembly up travel, for articulation and fitment. It works great on the rocks, and on the road, what's not to love? Then you try to run with a tacoma out west cus you need to put down miles and you find the whopping 2inches you have before bumpstop is limiting your function to 20-40 mph depending on the terrain. And that Taco walks away at 55 plus. The Mojave is the first to not cede that ground. That sucker will do 90 over some serious shit and not skip a beat. I just need it to keep doing that, but with a little bit of extra weight and some extra power to keep that weight moving. Ima figure it out dammit. one way or another.

And don't get me wrong, 37s on a Mojave is totally worth it. But i have 2 sets of wheels and I'll most likely daily 35s for comfort
 

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No I'm still on 4.10s. Pedal Monster helps. I'd like 4.88s tho. the 37s I don't think you can get over its cons on any setup. we have solid axles so any ground clearance height you add tire wise gives the road leverage against your truck. You can get around this with more lift to soak or just revalve or upgrade the shocks. I have 2 sets of Mojave shocks in rotation. I'm waiting for the one to come back, its tuned for my setup. Then I'll send in my current installed set to match or get revalved to match hemi weight if i pull the trigger. The big plus with the Mojave shocks, is that they are rebuildable and retuneable. So unless your trying to get more than 2 inches of lift, there's no point in getting rid of em. Nothing else on market comes with 2.5 Elites, albeit we don't get the tuning dials. but still. The issue i'm running into with the deisel is that is sits lower than a hemi, and hemi already requires extra bumpstop spacing to prevent front axle contact with squishy bits. The Mojaves ability to cycle front suspension may not be recreateable with a diesel, and it also may not be with a hemi. Which is why I'm looking for a 392 JLXR to get suspension notes off of to see if i can Frankenstein it with some Fox Elites to keep the Mojave, a Mojave. If it turns out I cannot. I may just supercharge the 3.6 and buy a spare 3.6 from rubitrux for just in case. I'm not willing to budge on the assembly function of the Mojave front. Its exactly what I want. It strikes that balance I need in a do it all rig.

Jeep was onto something when they made the Mojave. I love and I need it to do just a bit more than stock. Its the only reason I've spent months researching and flipping rocks. i want my cake and i want to eat it too. And I'ma be pissed if i give up and just go to the diesel for someone else a year later figure out how to get the Mojave combo I've always wanted. I feel like a lot of Jeepers get use standard way off lifting for bigger tires and they give up that whole assembly up travel, for articulation and fitment. It works great on the rocks, and on the road, what's not to love? Then you try to run with a tacoma out west cus you need to put down miles and you find the whopping 2inches you have before bumpstop is limiting your function to 20-40 mph depending on the terrain. And that Taco walks away at 55 plus. The Mojave is the first to not cede that ground. That sucker will do 90 over some serious shit and not skip a beat. I just need it to keep doing that, but with a little bit of extra weight and some extra power to keep that weight moving. Ima figure it out dammit. one way or another.

And don't get me wrong, 37s on a Mojave is totally worth it. But i have 2 sets of wheels and I'll most likely daily 35s for comfort
You're talking yourself out of a diesel with this post.
 

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You're talking yourself out of a diesel with this post.
Not for A stock daily to replace my 3.6 rubi tho. Thats still on the table
 

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Not for A stock daily to replace my 3.6 rubi tho. Thats still on the table
I have nothing against the 3.6L Pentastar. It's a good engine. I just like the EcoDiesel better. The diesel is so much fun to drive. The low-end torque, exceptional fuel economy, towing characteristics, and the sound of a diesel make it very much worth it to me, but I'm also a diesel freak, so I suppose that makes me biased to a certain degree.

I think Jeep did a fantastic job on the Gladiator. It's a highly versatile midsized truck with a good balance of on-road and off-road characteristics. Without a question, I'll be keeping this Jeep for the next 20+ years.

You're in fortunate position to own a Mojave and Rubicon. This gives you the ability to build the Mojave and keep the Rubicon stock. In my opinion, the diesel Rubicon would give you the best of both worlds.
 
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I have nothing against the 3.6L Pentastar. It's a good engine. I just like the EcoDiesel better. The diesel is so much fun to drive. The low-end torque, exceptional fuel economy, towing characteristics, and the sound of a diesel make it very much worth it to me, but I'm also a diesel freak, so I suppose that makes me biased to a certain degree.

I think Jeep did a fantastic job on the Gladiator. It's a highly versatile midsized truck with a good balance of on-road and off-road characteristics. Without a question, I'll be keeping this Jeep for the next 20+ years.

You're in fortunate position to own a Mojave and Rubicon. This gives you the ability to build the Mojave and keep the Rubicon stock. In my opinion, the diesel Rubicon would give you the best of both worlds.
I'm leaning that way. I'll have to see if the gals will be ok with that. They do a pretty good job of telling me when something in the fleet needs work. I just hope I don't ever get a call saying they put gas in it or something stupid.
 

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whats the diesel oil change interval? I will delete immediately as well. I'd have the kit before i got the truck. Any other maintenance thats extensive that a gasser wouldn't have?
I have data that suggest AMSOIL is good for 7500 miles and that deleting cuts aluminum ppm by 75%
Personally, I would not own a gladiator without it being a diesel. And now that I know what its like with some stuff removed, I know it can keep up with a 392 from a rolling 20-65ish mph at least on 40s
 
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I just hope I don't ever get a call saying they put gas in it or something stupid.
As of right now, all of our vehicles, tractor, and UTV are diesel, so it's pretty easy for us to remember. With that said, I've read a few posts over the years of folks accidently putting the wrong fuel in the tank. And to be honest, I don't think it's ever been the wife/daughter who screwed up, lol. In most circumstances, the owner/operator grabbed the wrong handle and started pumping. They usually figure it out before starting the vehicle, which is probably a good thing. This at least gives them the chance to have it towed to a garage and drain the tank.
 

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I have data that suggest AMSOIL is good for 7500 miles and that deleting cuts aluminum ppm by 75%
To be more specific, the actual tuning cuts down on aluminum. The factory tune definitely increases aluminum wear. Amsoil MS can be stretched to 10,000-mile intervals. It seems to holdup to shear better than most other oils.
 

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I just need it to keep doing that, but with a little bit of extra weight and some extra power to keep that weight moving. Ima figure it out dammit. one way or another.
Keep us updated. I suspect more than a few of us (myself included) are also looking for this setup that ups the power and capability but keeps the Mojave's character, without necessarily going all the way to a trailing arm trophy truck-like suspension, i.e. with the Evo kit (not that I would mind that either, but it looks like it's $8-10k+ all in and I suspect it's capable of more than the chassis is even built for).
 

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by ruined i don't mean its fucked. The 37s are the majority of notice. Its alot of weight to cycle. My Mojave use to win comfort and ride wise on highway, twisties, and the fast offroad stuff. The Rubicon did piddling about on your avg slower city road and rocky trails. My mojave is still better ride wise plus it now takes the cake in the rocky trails now too. But I can't say its as comfortable as the rubicon on road. I made her loud, responsive and playful. Its great, I love my Mojave, I speed almost everywhere and hit random shit on the road cus its fun. But for the days you just wanna relax, the all stock Rubicon is that mundane comfort you can just melt into. I know they are almost the exact same truck but the way i have it. Its the Magic School Bus vs a normal bus. Sometimes you don't want the adventure. If you get in my Mojave. The doors are off, you'll be blaring Chevelle, you wore your best cologne, and you chirp tires every light, and swing it or jump it whenever you can. But when your 6 hours short on sleep and you got a 12 hour shift in front of you. The last thing you want is what I just mentioned.
Haha crank some Chevelle!!

I will agree that the 37's make a difference to the driving feel. My last Mojave had 35's, it felt a little lighter and tighter in corners on paved roads, part of my wonder if part of the difference is a brand change.
 

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I have have a 23 Mojave and a 21 JTRD. If I had to get rid of one, it would be the Mojave. The diesel is just way more fun to drive.
 
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I have have a 23 Mojave and a 21 JTRD. If I had to get rid of one, it would be the Mojave. The diesel is just way more fun to drive.
thats a solid combo
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