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[AstroZombie]

if this was my first car with it i am sure it would be annoying but its been around long enough. the worst is everyone's misconception that is save you gas or that its going to kill my starter. I can say i have had a dozen cars or more. I dont think i have ever needed to change a start more than 2 times. It does however push less harmful gases into the environment. Not a bad short term resolution. anywho....doesnt bother me. My muffler is still loud when i drive and you cant tell i have it when idle or off.

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[AstroZombie]

Here is a sample of my hand calculated ESS numbers (from my JLU). Notice the signficant dip in MPG for several weeks when my ESS system quit working. As soon as the dealership finally got it fixed, MPG went right back up again. I'm a believer.

I understand crotchety old men who are reluctant to change. Hell, I'm one of them. But if the new tech actually DOES something beneficial, then I can learn to love it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA all you CROTCHEY old men!!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Repeating things I've said before and many times in other posts because haters don't read or care to know facts -

That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Jeep "feature" I guess. How are people working around it

Really? You think it's "Jeep" behind this?
I've posted at least 3 or 10 times a few of the other vehicles that utilize it - why they do, and how they do. It includes Volvo, BMW, Chevrolet - and a host of others. This isn't "A Jeep Thing" - it's a way for Jeep to survive mandates. They get credits. If you want to buy a diesel or gas powered Jeep like these in the future - better embrace the technology that is allowing Jeep to survive. Jeep would otherwise be extinct.

I would hate is less if it didn't seem to cause issues with the secondary battery and the battery was easy to access. I hardly ever use mine.

It doesn't cause issues with the secondary battery.
On the other hand, without ESS, there would be no secondary battery in these.

Don't like it. Annoying and I always have an "Oh Crap!" moment when it kicks, thinking something is wrong with my Jeep.

I hit the disable button first thing after starting.

So you have never driven a Prius, or Honda hybrid, or any of a list of other hybrids?
This has been around for many years.
Interesting the numbers who don't realize where it started, who first used it, why, and the fact it's NOT a mandate - it exists in Jeeps especially because people here want their Jeeps and without the CAFE credits Jeep gets - your precious baby JT or JL/JLU may not exist, at least with ICE driving it. And face it, you may not get to buy one in the future anyway thanks to CA, VA and the EU.
I guess it goes back to really bad, incorrect information, lack of understanding, and in most cases, not wanting to understand something one finds "annoying". That's what's funny - in most cases - "what's the reason" - answer - I find it annoying
Really? LOL - that's it?

misconception that is save you gas or that its going to kill my starter.

It does save gas, Edmunds and others have proven it, demonstrated it with real cars in real driving situations.
It also helps our friends and neighbors in California be able to BREATHE. Anyone recall the 1960s or early 1970s out there? Leave your home at your own peril. Can't see for even half a block.
It isn't going to kill a starter or other parts - that comes from people who have never put a wrench to anything other than to install lifts or wheels or whatever.
Been in auto-electric for decades. To this day, I restore automotive parts for people from around North America. Starters are among those things. The starters in these are going to outlast anything from the last century - or last at least as long. Before ESS - starters used bronze oil impregnated bushings, NOT bearings. These use bearings. Before ESS there were soft copper commutators and carbon brushes - these don't use carbon brushes and the commutators have been redesigned.
COLD starts kill engine parts and starters, not warm starts. Besides, the PCM knows the state of every piece of that engine - where each piston sits, which injector fired and when and for how long and more. These actually hold the oil up in the galleries during ESS stops so the engine isn't lacking for oil once it restarts. Cold starts - things may be lacking lube for long enough to cause some wear. Engines are harder to turn over when cool - worse when cold. They spin right over when there's oil in place and they are warm and ready to fire on first revolution. Short drives, short commutes less than long enough to burn the H20 from the crank case is going to kill the engine faster than ESS ever could - so you guys (and gals) starting their Jeep and driving 15 to 20 minutes to work - you are killing your engine. (mine takes almost 30 minutes for oil, transmission, etc. to get thoroughly warmed up - do not go by the temperature gauge! That's only the coolant and the rest of the engine will likely NOT be warmed up yet even if the coolant says 195 degrees) H20 in the crankcase helps to oxidize the oil, create acids, and destroy the additives blended into the oil - so complaining about ESS wearing things out while only driving short distances is rather ironic.

There's proof it works, there's proof it saves fuel - and by virtue of saving fuel, it cuts emissions - and that's what CA (and VA because they adhere to CA's rules) and the EU are mandating - ZERO carbon emissions.
There's a long multi-page list of states, counties, towns/townships and other municipalities that have banned idling for over certain lengths of time at stops, etc. The target for now - diesels. But that list is growing. Some day it will be illegal for an engine to idle more than xx minutes while stopped in even more locations. One place in the list bans starting your vehicle and leaving it running to warm up over a couple of minutes - can't recall their exact length of time - but I saw that and figured - here we go!

 

[Mister Lamb]

Option #6: Screw Socialists

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Option #6: Screw Socialists

What does socialism have to do with any of this?

 

[AstroZombie]

@ShadowsPapa by misconception i meant that that's the sole reason for ESS. It is a quantifiable feature. Now for all the crotchety old men 2mpg aint meanin shizzle for me comments. LOL
BTW you do have the best replies and ESS is a well beaten horse here, along with just about every other thing. Still i'm only hear for grammar lessons and the occasional lightbulb moments. When will Jeep add massaging seats like our VW ID-4? Fake v8 sounds for the 4xE!!

 

[AstroZombie]

What does socialism have to do with any of this?

production, distribution and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. That's what the GOOGLER says! ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Now for all the crotchety old men 2mpg aint meanin shizzle for me comments.

Well you ain't bad at math. If your JT gets 20 mpg and Edmunds (and other tests) have shown "10%" then you are at your 2 mpg.
That's per gallon.
At 20 gallons a fill, that's 2 times 20 gallons (assuming you can average it all out - and that's not totally likely) but say that you average 2 mpg saved.
That's 40 miles. That's 2 gallons of gas saved times $3/gallon or whatever it costs where you are.
That means you could potentially save up to $6 per fill. (totally totally depending on your vehicle, your driving habits, WHERE you drive and far more).
Even if you cut that down to more realistic numbers - I don't mind saving a couple of bucks each fill and there's a lot more stuff that's is actually annoying compared to an engine shutting down and starting again when I let up on the brake pedal even just a little bit.

production, distribution and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. That's what the GOOGLER says!

I'll fix that for you "and what you hear or read about it should be controlled by certain huge companies"

 

[cb4017]

So you have never driven a Prius, or Honda hybrid, or any of a list of other hybrids?
This has been around for many years.
Interesting the numbers who don't realize where it started, who first used it, why, and the fact it's NOT a mandate - it exists in Jeeps especially because people here want their Jeeps and without the CAFE credits Jeep gets - your precious baby JT or JL/JLU may not exist, at least with ICE driving it. And face it, you may not get to buy one in the future anyway thanks to CA, VA and the EU.
I guess it goes back to really bad, incorrect information, lack of understanding, and in most cases, not wanting to understand something one finds "annoying". That's what's funny - in most cases - "what's the reason" - answer - I find it annoying
Really? LOL - that's it?

Yep. I have driven a rental Hybrid. Didn't care for that either. Over the course of our road trip it saved us zilch.

I recognize it's because of CAFE standards and I won't get into the politics or what I think of all that.

Yep. I find it annoying. Good enough for me to disable it and as long as I can, I will.

 

[AstroZombie]

Well you ain't bad at math. If your JT gets 20 mpg and Edmunds (and other tests) have shown "10%" then you are at your 2 mpg.
That's per gallon.
At 20 gallons a fill, that's 2 times 20 gallons (assuming you can average it all out - and that's not totally likely) but say that you average 2 mpg saved.
That's 40 miles. That's 2 gallons of gas saved times $3/gallon or whatever it costs where you are.
That means you could potentially save up to $6 per fill. (totally totally depending on your vehicle, your driving habits, WHERE you drive and far more).
Even if you cut that down to more realistic numbers - I don't mind saving a couple of bucks each fill and there's a lot more stuff that's is actually annoying compared to an engine shutting down and starting again when I let up on the brake pedal even just a little bit.


I'll fix that for you "and what you hear or read about it should be controlled by certain huge companies"

I am 100% down for saving what ever gas i can. I am lucky to get 16mpg on the regular. I drive 35-40 to work everyday and almost 60 min coming back. Traffic sucks but at least I'm in my Jeep. Especially since gas is $5.45 out here or somewhat close to that. Yup i pay, on average $80-$130, a week, just in gas to drive my Gladiator to work everyday. That's pretty close to 1/4 tank a day. That's including child pick up, park runs, dog walks, and daily life. With the occasional drag race with some bum with a hemi challenger that has straight pipes (just so i can hear it.) Its a total redneck hemi challenger too.

 

[Mister Lamb]

What does socialism have to do with any of this?

This 'Green' initiative is a blatant attempt to cripple society into relying on the government for just about everything. Common folk are being penalized for emission use with terrible technology while India and China make up the vast majority of emissions and remain unscathed. Governments are crippling farmers through penalties/taxation to the point where selling is the only financially viable solution. The goal of a socialist society is being poorly hidden behind the this 'Green' movement.

The U.S. will be socialist in the next few decades, with the masquerade of "green energy" being the forefront. Mark my words

 

[Imbuere]

I mean, who doesn’t love it when your jeep turns off a stop sign and then immediately back on. /s

 

[UnforseenWeather]

Hey neat, a pESSing match. Joy.

 

[Bonanza]

Annoying as hell just to to satisfy a bunch of Kalifornia p———. Disabled mine.

From the guy who's state motto is "You can't be in last, there's always Mississippi"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_God_for_Mississippi

Greetings from California! Now do as we say, peasant.

 

[Wilsonb80]

I used the Hell Roaring dual battery isolator with the Genesis battery tray. All solid-state. And I removed the old battery cables that Genesis leaves taped off.

Any write up photos or doc/description of this set up.. is it better value then the Genesis dual battery setup?

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