How many of you want a more efficient 4 cylinder powerplant for the gladiator?

[DarthAWM]

Adding a turbo to an engine is just another thing that can break. I'll pass. I think the only turbo gas engine I think is worthwhile for longevity is Ford's 2.7L.

I know the bigger Ford turbo v6 on 87(ish) octane isn't a long lived engine.

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[Farmer Fran]

It's not weight, it's aero. The jeep coefficient is so horrendous that any motor will do significantly worse in it than in something else. The ram on the other hand has excellent aero with front spoiler, way lower, unexposed tires. Just compare the ram 3.6 vs the gladiator and you'll see the gladiator is about 15% less efficient in stock form, never mind once we lift, upside tires etc. With the hemi you would get about 14.5 city/18.5 hwy mpg which jives with 392 mpgs in the wrangler at 13/16

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[BourbonRunner]

I swear it feels like I am one of very few that buy vehicles with the intent of owning beyond a standard warranty and have zero problems working on all of them myself. :|

modern vehicles with turbos should not be looked at as over complicated or added maintenance etc…. Just maintain to spec and they should last about as long as a high pressure fuel pump- 120k or so. Benefit outweighs the cost….

Right?

These modern engines aren't like a late 80's Saab 900 Turbo, where you had to run the motor for five minutes to cool the thing down before you run into the store to get a sixer of Heineken and a pack of Marlboros. Modern turbo's are far more reliable and far cheaper than ever before and do not have many of the low octane knocking issue or premature destruction of the predecessors. It's the rest of the electronics that are utter shite. And let's not forget that turbocharged Wright Cyclones powered the B17 and B29 in WW2. Turbocharging aint exactly new tech.

Far as the Tacoma hybrid- if what I've read thus far is true, it may be the best of both worlds. If the bigger V6 hybrids in the LC200 and Tundra are any indication, this motor may be the new gold standard in midsize trucks.

And make no mistake, I'm not Toyota fanboying here but I do recognize that Toyota makes the best hybrid drive trains in the world. They've been in production now for 27 years and counting. There's a reason why they license and supply their tech to many other manufacturers.

 

[bleda2002]

Personally I'd like a non-plugin hybrid 3.6 with a battery about 4-5 kwh, and the same electric power adders as the 4xe. Less battery weight and lots more power for what will be more or less the same MPG we currently get.

One thing always lost in these hybrid discussions is how much power you're getting for the MPG's. People shit on the 4xe for getting the same MPG as the straight 2.0, but ignore that it has 5.7 hemi levels of power so its actually significantly more efficient than if they had just dropped in the hemi. If they would just cut the battery size by a third, the extra weight would probably come down to be about 200-250 pounds then, but still have all the extra power minus the 22ish mile all electric range.

 

[Oilburner]

As a Cummins field tech, I approve this message. Way better than some off brand Italian engine. Plus where Chrysler or who ever they are this month already supports the B6.7 would make more sense to one stop shop.

Are you working on the swap kit for the 2.8 when all the 3.0’s die off?

 

[bleda2002]

Are you working on the swap kit for the 2.8 when all the 3.0’s die off?

Isnt the 2.8 fairly anemic? Unless i'm looking at the wrong one, published specs have it being woefully underpowered for a midsize truck at 160 hp, 310 ftlbs of torque. That should put the gladiators 0-60 in approximately never seconds with a load.

 

[Riding with Gladys]

A 5.7L hemi would be every bit as efficient as the 2.0t in the JLs and more efficient than the 3.6L. Since 2017 we've owned a 2017 ram rebel 5.7L hemi, a 2019 jlur 2.0t, a 2022 jlur with the xr package 3.6L, and a 2023 JT mojave 3.6L. The 2.0t was only slightly more efficient than the 5.7L stock for stock and the ram weighed about 1500lbs more. Adding armor, tires, and lift to the 2.0t and the efficiency dropped to 15-16mpg. The ram still got 17-18mpg after a lift and tires. The JLUR 3.6Lgets 13-14mpg as does the JTM. I would bet money that the JT would get better mileage from a 5.7L than the 2.0t as the efficiency of the 2.0 goes out the window when it's pushing boost constantly.

Totally agree. My work Ram 1500 with the hemi and a constant load in the bed gets 19mpg and my Mojave with 35's and the 3.6 is getting 15.

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

51k miles in and I couldn’t care less about fuel efficiency in a pickup truck, even when I was commuting 80 miles a day round trip.

However, I get some people are very conscious of it. For me, if I wanted good fuel mileage, I wouldn’t have even considered a JT or Wrangler. I would’ve went with a Subaru Cross Trek, Ford Maverick, or something like that.

If I was a hotshot driver or something then I would care about fuel mileage, but not for a lifestyle/adventure vehicle. I’m more concerned with range, and that can be solved with good trip planning and/or jerry cans.

 

[BearFootSam]

Yep, that’s the one I’d like to have in the JT. Great 4 pot diesel sound, slow and torquey.

A diesel JT was and is a great concept but IMHO the VM 3.0 was not the best choice. Bigger than it needed to be to pump the paper numbers.

 

[AKDrifter]

I'd love a 2.0 in the Gladiator and a good tuner. The 2.0 LNF in my kids Cobalt SS is making a lot of power with stock parts and good tuning. 340hp/370ft lbs out of that Jeep Easter Safari Jeepster with a tuned 2.0, I'd take that all day. I wish my old S10 Xtreme had that LNF, would have made that thing something. The Gladiator with the turbo 4 would have been my choice.

 

[DarthAWM]

I'd love a 2.0 in the Gladiator and a good tuner. The 2.0 LNF in my kids Cobalt SS is making a lot of power with stock parts and good tuning. 340hp/370ft lbs out of that Jeep Easter Safari Jeepster with a tuned 2.0, I'd take that all day. I wish my old S10 Xtreme had that LNF, would have made that thing something. The Gladiator with the turbo 4 would have been my choice.

That Chevy 2.0T is a beast, my wife's Equinox is way quicker than it has any right to be.

 

[shawnebell]

I'm fine with Jeep offering the Gladiator with 4 cylinders ... as long as it comes with an extra 4 cylinders.

 

[John Hursh]

4 cylinder? I want the HP Hurricane I6 turbo!!!

 

[ZeeJay]

Are you working on the swap kit for the 2.8 when all the 3.0’s die off?

No my realm is 60 liters, I don’t mess with the little stuff much.

 

[Mr._Bill]

The existing V6 works for what I need. A diesel, without all the emissions crap, would be good. I would like to see just a plain, simple, small V8 with a eight or ten speed automatic transmission.

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