If Wrangler and Gladiator are the same from the cab forward ......?

[tcabece]

Then the logical question, at least in my mind, is why not the 5.7 or 6.4 V8 in the Gladiator that everyone here keeps talking about? There has to be some other reason. By definition, the weight and towing capacities are greater on the Gladiator so have I missed something on an earlier thread or something? To me, if choosing one vehicle, and all things are equal, the Gladiator should get the V8 instead of the Wrangler.

Personally, I have no horse in the race and the 3.6 does what I want it to do and am overall happy with it. But I know for many here, the V8 is on their wish list and it seems like at least a 5.7 Gladiator would not be that big of a deal for Stellantis to produce.

Am I missing something?

David: Aside from the "Dead Horse Theory" LOL. I just completed this swap and can confirm that from the transmission cross member forward they are indeed the same. In fact because the transmission cross member is in the same location. The drivelines bolt up. Now while the Gladiator rear drive line is a 2 piece unit with a carrier bearing. Because the Gladiator is longer than the Wrangler. Other than the exhaust which you have to make. ALL the parts are orderable from Jeep. The programming however you'll need someone other than Jeep to complete.

Tim

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[Mr Miami]

My pleasure - in agreement with Hurricane 6 thinking.

…waiting for the day Jeep put TT inline 6 power in the Gladiator.

Big demand for a 5.7L hemi V8 option in jeep home NA market, I get it. 100. It’s what ppl want. I hope it happens.

For the international markets, Jeep needs the Hurricane TT6. Gas (we call it petrol) is not cheap.

Gladiator will need a high torque at low revs/ high output/ high efficiency engine to be successful in ie this AU market.

The comp is stiff, w proven high performance diesels. Hurricane TT6 would allow Gladiator to hold its own and or …Outperform.

Sad to watch gladiator double cab platform get knee capped by Jeep!…offering an engine config, ie nat asp small v6, that has not been an accepted mainstream engine here since the late 90’s or very early Y2K’s.

Jeep needs more than just the TT 6 in your country (Australia). As I mentioned in another thread, I traveled to Australia several months ago, drove through a large part of the Outback for several days (Alice Springs to Dawson) and then flew to Cairns, Melbourne and Sydney.

I can say I could count the Jeeps I saw in the entire two week trip on my fingers. Yet I would pull up to your "petrol" stations, especially in the Outback, and 4 out of 5 vehicles fueling up were Toyota Hi-Lux 2.8 TD's. The cities had a mixture of other vehicles but few Jeeps.

Maybe it's different on the west side of the country where you are, but in the cities I visited, seeing any kind of Jeep was relatively rare.

 

[ChrisNLA]

Jeep needs more than just the TT 6 in your country (Australia). As I mentioned in another thread, I traveled to Australia several months ago, drove through a large part of the Outback for several days (Alice Springs to Dawson) and then flew to Cairns, Melbourne and Sydney.

I can say I could count the Jeeps I saw in the entire two week trip on my fingers. Yet I would pull up to your "petrol" stations, especially in the Outback, and 4 out of 5 vehicles fueling up were Toyota Hi-Lux 2.8 TD's. The cities had a mixture of other vehicles but few Jeeps.

Maybe it's different on the west side of the country where you are, but in the cities I visited, seeing any kind of Jeep was relatively rare.

Pretty sure Jeeps cost a premium compared to the Hi-Lux and stuff - so Aussies aren't really incentivized to pay too much for a Gladiator when they can have a diesel Toyota.

 

[Smash615]

It is beating a dead horse, but I agree with you. If the Gladiator had a 5.7, it would be the perfect truck for me.

I used to think the same thing, but it would probably cost upwards of $85K. At that point, I'm thinking it would be better to keep my 22 JT MT and buy a used V8 truck to have both. The JT is on such a small frame compared to a full-size truck and I'd rather have a roomier interior with that engine. I could pull the JT on a trailer wherever I wanted to go with it, still party off-road and have a flux of $ left over!

 

[Zachanadandy]

I used to think the same thing, but it would probably cost upwards of $85K. At that point, I'm thinking it would be better to keep my 22 JT MT and buy a used V8 truck to have both. The JT is on such a small frame compared to a full-size truck and I'd rather have a roomier interior with that engine. I could pull the JT on a trailer wherever I wanted to go with it, still party off-road and have a flux of $ left over!

Until you realize what that brick on wheels on top of a trailer does to the fuel economy of the v8 tow rig. I thought the Jeeps 12mpg was bad until we towed it to CO and moab. The 5.7L had no problems pulling it, but 8mpg is terrible. I'll v8 swap the gladiator before I buy another tow rig.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

I used to think the same thing, but it would probably cost upwards of $85K. At that point, I'm thinking it would be better to keep my 22 JT MT and buy a used V8 truck to have both. The JT is on such a small frame compared to a full-size truck and I'd rather have a roomier interior with that engine. I could pull the JT on a trailer wherever I wanted to go with it, still party off-road and have a flux of $ left over!

I don't think it would be $85k, but we'll probably never know.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

One response- - OMG, really? After all of the debunking and hashing around people STILL believe it's a matter of "it will fit" - and that's it?? LOL, amazing.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

David: Aside from the "Dead Horse Theory" LOL. I just completed this swap and can confirm that from the transmission cross member forward they are indeed the same. In fact because the transmission cross member is in the same location. The drivelines bolt up. Now while the Gladiator rear drive line is a 2 piece unit with a carrier bearing. Because the Gladiator is longer than the Wrangler. Other than the exhaust which you have to make. ALL the parts are orderable from Jeep. The programming however you'll need someone other than Jeep to complete.

Tim

And, again "it will fit" has NOTHING to do with anything, nada, zip, zero. This is hilarious after all of the many other threads, hundreds of posts over years - and it's still a "it will fit, why not do it" simplistic mindset thing.

I guess the internet is proof that no one thinks beyond the physical "it will fit", financial, marketing, crash testing, COOLING to get tow ratings Jeep is proud of and so on.

If you want one in the JT - then just go do it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

since the only thing that's confirmed is the 392 Hemi coming to the Gladiator at some point in the near future.

Is it really confirmed? By who? Was it DIRECTLY stated from a totally reliable source? Said in so many words, not implied?

 

[MPMB]

I don't think it would be $85k, but we'll probably never know.

Right. We could compare against the full-size options, such as they are. Chevy charges ~$2500 to move to a V8. Ford doesn't seem offer one (I'm not trying ever damn trim they have), but upgrading the V6 options and hybrids are a nominal cost. Ram is about $1200.

Jeep being Jeep would probably make it a $3995 upgrade, available on the Willys trim, and only if you get the colors Snazzleberry or Silver.

 

[Smash615]

I don't think it would be $85k, but we'll probably never know.

True: we'll never know... Even if they were to make it, they would only be making it in the Rubicon. No way they would make it in a Sport... The Wrangler Rubi 392 is $81K.

 

[Smash615]

Right. We could compare against the full-size options, such as they are. Chevy charges ~$2500 to move to a V8. Ford doesn't seem offer one (I'm not trying ever damn trim they have), but upgrading the V6 options and hybrids are a nominal cost. Ram is about $1200.

Jeep being Jeep would probably make it a $3995 upgrade, available on the Willys trim, and only if you get the colors Snazzleberry or Silver.

It would be a Special Edition Rubi if they ever did it, which they won't. That's why I'm thinking $85K.

 

[MPMB]

Is it really confirmed? By who? Was it DIRECTLY stated from a totally reliable source? Said in so many words, not implied?

Car & Driver article edits the final quote, but other articles run what's in the KBB quote. I would have to track down the media call (ha, good luck with that one) and listen to it.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...expiration-date-gladiator-rubicon-392-coming/

Without missing a beat, Broderdorf dropped this nugget: "We will extend the availability of the 392 Wrangler, and in fact, we will tap the power and performance of the Hemi across Jeep products as new projects are already underway." Right on cue, a large image of a Jeep Gladiator appeared on the giant monitors flanking him, Borderdorf continuing, “Jeep fans, don't worry, the 6.4-liter Hemi V-8 will have a home at Jeep.”

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/jeep-will-build-v8-powered-gladiator-keep-wrangler-392/

He continued, “We will extend the availability of the 392 on Wrangler, and in fact, we will tap the power and performance of the Hemi across Jeep products.” At that point, an image of the Gladiator appeared on screens on stage with him. “So Wrangler and Gladiator fans and Hemi fans in general, don’t worry,” he finished.

 

[ChrisNLA]

Right. We could compare against the full-size options, such as they are. Chevy charges ~$2500 to move to a V8. Ford doesn't seem offer one (I'm not trying ever damn trim they have), but upgrading the V6 options and hybrids are a nominal cost. Ram is about $1200.

Jeep being Jeep would probably make it a $3995 upgrade, available on the Willys trim, and only if you get the colors Snazzleberry or Silver.

F150, its $2,300 to get a 5.0 in everything but the Lariat and the Tremor where it's a whopping $120.

The STX is only available with the 5.0L for like $13,000. I didn't investigate further to see WTF was included in that price. I know STX is the value package so they try to keep it with the 2.7.

Not available in the King Ranch, Platinum, or Raptor...

In case anyone was actually wondering

Edit: It's $2,900 to add the Hemi to a 2026 Big Horn Ram.

 

[Mr Miami]

Pretty sure Jeeps cost a premium compared to the Hi-Lux and stuff - so Aussies aren't really incentivized to pay too much for a Gladiator when they can have a diesel Toyota.

Yes, both product and more importantly in the Outback, parts. According to several guys I talked to when filling up the fuel tank, they can readily get parts since most little towns have airports and they get their stuff by air or from the large, 3 trailer rigs (Road Trains as they call them) that move across the country. Parts are an issue when the nearest dealer may be the hundreds or miles away. Think of being in Dallas and the nearest dealer is in Chicago. But everyone I talked to seemed OK with the situation.

After hearing about their parts availability in such remote places, I didn't really have the nerve to tell them I have Jeeps, live within a 45 minute drive of at least a dozen dealerships and have to wait weeks or months for some stuff. That would not work over there at all.

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