Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[Badunit]

I sure as hell will count the subsidy.

Basically we get 21 miles daily for 1.40 as it's 14kw at .10 a kwh where we live on 37s

Okay, count the subsidy. Your 4xe was less expensive to you because your rich uncle paid for part of it with money he pickpocketed from others.

I certainly can't argue against real world data vs assumptions and estimates. I am surprised, though, that putting 37's on the 4xe had absolutely no effect on battery usage. You are stating the same kwh/100mi as on the sticker.

You are using the 4xe in an optimal way (rarely exceeding the battery range, rarely using any gas) so it seems to be working for you. You are also planning on keeping it forever so trade-in value is of no concern in the calculations (positive or negative).

With more EVs out there, battery costs should come down. But it could also be like AC units where the government is continually changing the rules and banning old tech (a recharge on an old AC unit is very costly or downright impossible). If new battery tech comes along, replacement may be a new generation battery (more expensive) and possibly new electronic hardware/programming to recharge it properly. But it'll probably also increase the range. This allremains to be seen. I do think they will have to address the fire concerns. Even if fires are infrequent, infrequent * many vehicles = lots of fires that are darned near impossible to put out.

Anyway, enjoy the 4xe and I hope it keeps saving money for you.

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[Dickster]

Well no, you were pointed out for spreading bad information and making things up to push your agenda. Even by those who are not in the "EV crowd" (like myself). It was brought up rather constructively with encouragement to learn. But you clearly wanted to turn this thread into an echo chamber for yourself and those like you, so the rest of us saw no reason to participate anymore as clearly no real conversation was going to happen. Meanwhile, the whole reason this thread was started got completely lost and overlooked, and all that was left were those who were yelling the loudest of "grr EV bad". Why would anyone want to even try to talk in that environment? It's not productive, and it's a bad look for the community.

I'm sorry if that offended you. But it's the truth. Don't worry, no need to reply to me on this one as you won't hear from me again in this thread. You can keep your echo chamber.

No really i stated that they catch fire randomly and you started your EV push. Its funny when NON EV fans say stuff and it come out as spreading bad in formation. In reality i am sitting here saying the saying the same thing as you....

 

[bleda2002]

Okay, count the subsidy. Your 4xe was less expensive to you because your rich uncle paid for part of it with money he pickpocketed from others.

I certainly can't argue against real world data vs assumptions and estimates. I am surprised, though, that putting 37's on the 4xe had absolutely no effect on battery usage. You are stating the same kwh/100mi as on the sticker.

You are using the 4xe in an optimal way (rarely exceeding the battery range, rarely using any gas) so it seems to be working for you. You are also planning on keeping it forever so trade-in value is of no concern in the calculations (positive or negative).

With more EVs out there, battery costs should come down. But it could also be like AC units where the government is continually changing the rules and banning old tech (a recharge on an old AC unit is very costly or downright impossible). If new battery tech comes along, replacement may be a new generation battery (more expensive) and possibly new electronic hardware/programming to recharge it properly. But it'll probably also increase the range. This allremains to be seen. I do think they will have to address the fire concerns. Even if fires are infrequent, infrequent * many vehicles = lots of fires that are darned near impossible to put out.

Anyway, enjoy the 4xe and I hope it keeps saving money for you.

The 37s actually did impact EV range a good bit. The non-37s range was actually around 25-26 miles for us, the sticker is massively conservative, which is why in Europe it's actually rated for 30 miles for the same battery.

 

[bleda2002]

TrailRecon made a video of his 4xe Wrangler off road. After the battery dies in 19 miles, all you’re running on is the baby 4 cylinder engine. He didn’t have his 4xe very long before getting rid of it. No thanks. I’ll take my diesel any day.

Common misconception. The battery basically never dies as it reserves 3 kwh to make sure it can continue to provide power after. So even when the 4 cylinder turned on he still had 375 hp and 470ftlbs of torque. We actually prefer to run ours in esave once the full electric range is done for the day so that we don't get the engine starting and stopping randomly.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

Well no, you were pointed out for spreading bad information and making things up to push your agenda. Even by those who are not in the "EV crowd" (like myself). It was brought up rather constructively with encouragement to learn. But you clearly wanted to turn this thread into an echo chamber for yourself and those like you, so the rest of us saw no reason to participate anymore as clearly no real conversation was going to happen. Meanwhile, the whole reason this thread was started got completely lost and overlooked, and all that was left were those who were yelling the loudest of "grr EV bad". Why would anyone want to even try to talk in that environment? It's not productive, and it's a bad look for the community.

I'm sorry if that offended you. But it's the truth. Don't worry, no need to reply to me on this one as you won't hear from me again in this thread. You can keep your echo chamber.

I don't know about that so much. Normally, I agree with you on a lot of things Ive seen you post but here I'm going to contradict respectfully. You were the first to jump because you felt that Dickster brought up a non-issue in regards to EV's catching fire.

Now, we're talking gladiators and wranglers here and neither of them are or will soon be EV's. They are hybrids. As my earlier post showed, hybrids have the worst percentages at catching fire than any other vehicle by about triple. Hybrids catch fire at a rate of 3%+ versus ICE that catch at 1%+. (TO be fair, the true EVs catch fire at only a quarter of a percent)
Dickster brought up a real scenario that does happen. Offroading a vehicle of any sort will increase its chances of wrecking and creating a fire hazard. It just so happens that hybrids (4xEs) catch on fire at a rate that's 3 TIMES the rate of a ICE vehicle. So I concluded that Dickster's original scenario (that was immediately poo pooed by pro EV crowd) is a valid one.

Now, This is me coming from a POV of having done forward deployments in areas where the only source of power is a diesel generator and solar panels and everything from water/food to ammo and fuel is flown in. A supply flight doesn't show and people get nervous. I'm all for an EV that I can solar charge and use conservatively but you know I'll have a diesel generator around to back me up. I think a hybrid is a REALLY good way to go, I'd like to see a solid diesel mated instead of gas.

 

[Elff]

TFL is the worst
I stopped watching their garbage after 2 videos

 

[joeym7]

Not for me, as they are now a "solution" that is looking for a problem to solve with a lot of downside, at this time at least. If they are looking to convince people it is a better choice they better start with a new video, the one in the o.p. was pretty unconvincing....Maybe for my children's, children's, children's, some day, who is to say at his point.

 

[AmosMoses]

Back to the topic, "is an EV gladiator better off-road than a traditional gas gladiator". Anyone with basic knowledge of mechanics, offroading and current EV technology will know the answer to this. Your first clue is the amount of subsidies we've all funded to entice people to buy them.

/end of thread.

 

[Fishee]

I'm so sick of people bringing up the subsidies or I'm paying for your EV...bla bla bla. Do you know how much of your tax dollars are given to the oil industry in the form of subsidies every year for DECADES?!?! Give it a rest already.

 

[AmosMoses]

I'm so sick of people bringing up the subsidies or I'm paying for your EV...bla bla bla. Do you know how much of your tax dollars are given to the oil industry in the form of subsidies every year for DECADES?!?! Give it a rest already.

I don't know but why don't you educate me? Why are oil companies given subsidies?

 

[Fishee]

I don't know but why don't you educate me? Why are oil companies given subsidies?

Why else? So the rich can get richer of course...and it's been that way for a hundred years

 

[AmosMoses]

Why else? So the rich can get richer of course...and it's been that way for a hundred years

I want to know the real reason though. Your answer sounds like something you just decided because it confirms your bias against "the rich".

 

[Fishee]

Jfc....??

 

[Badunit]

Deleted my post. I see no use discussing anything any further in this thread. I got lost on the argument of how oil company tax breaks that increase oil company profits is the same as an EV tax credit that decreases the price of a vehicle.

 

[bleda2002]

Deleted my post. I see no use discussing anything any further in this thread. I got lost on the argument of how oil company tax breaks that increase oil company profits is the same as an EV tax credit that decreases the price of a vehicle.

Because the EV credit isnt about reducing a car's cost. The EV Tax credit is to allow car companies to increase EV profits that will hopefully then be funneled back in to the technology and encourage development in the space. EV/PHEV's cars could compete on straight price at just reduced margins (like tesla is doing right now) but by offering an incentive they allow the car company to price it knowing that the actual MSRP is lower and thus increase their profits.

By the same token, the oil subsidies increase the oil companies profits to allow them to continue to fund their lobying, research, and activities promoting oil and petroleum.

I'll also mention not a single one of your dollars is spent on the EV tax credit for cars. The credit comes only from the buyers personal taxes as its not refundable. There is an argument that it "reduces tax receipts" but the government has already budgeted it so they're not expecting those tax receipts anymore than the home owner credit, the earned income credit, the child tax credit or a whole host of others.

Edit: Looked at another way, the oil subsidies also allow them to lower the price of a gallon of gas. Thus the gas burning cars are artificially cheap to run as compared to an EV vehicle. Its all perspective, and while its easy to again cast aspersions against the EV credit, its naive to think its the only one not playing "fair".

BTW this is from someone who thinks pure EV's are absolutely asasinine. We'd be much better off just making PHEV's as we can gain the benefits of both technologies and leverage the pollution reduction of covering the majority of people's commutes on pure electric but also being able to make 10+ hybrids for the same amount of batteries as 1 EV.

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