Is it me... Are are these backwards

[ericw.]

I get it. But it still feels Un natual

I agree with you, Audi does it correct. lol UP for up-shifting and down for down-shifting.

In the jeep, I rarely use the manual shifter but when I do, I have to think long and hard on which way is correct. I'm sure the computer will prevent a money shift but I don't want to test it.

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[Supazuk]

Think of the shifter like this (Lenco)

the brights and wipers feel wrong to me.

mmmm lenco....... makes me feel all funny like the rope in gym class

 

[Sweetums]

Think of the shifter like this (Lenco)

the brights and wipers feel wrong to me.

Leave the keys in it, no one knows how to drive it anyway.

 

[Rockabillyroy]

I liked how it was in the JKU. Feels like the fixed something that wasn't broken. At first, I made it a point to manual shift the gladiator often just to get it into muscle memory. Then stop bothering.

Now if they'd only fix that driver side seat elevation lever. 15 years of bumping that thing down unintentionally.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

No, Jeep actually has the manual shift correct, and I was very happy when I saw that.

Sit yourself in a Porsche with a PDK, THATS how it should be.

Forward for downshift, because it's easier to apply positive control when decelerating.
Pull back for upshift because it's easier for positive control when accelerating.
They even have flappy paddles correct, downshift is on the left side of the wheel and upshift is on the right side.

Anyone who has raced, or is familiar with high performance sports cars with shiftable automatics/semi-automatics should agree.


BMW, for some strange reason, for a while got it very wrong with their paddle shifters. They had up and downshift on both sides of the wheel, push the paddle to upshift, pull the paddle to downshift. So here I am test driving a 3 series and pulled the right side paddle to upshift while entering the freeway and THE DAMN THING DOWNSHIFTS! What.in.the.actual.fuck? So when I bought a 3 series I rewired them to function the way they are supposed to, and BMW eventually corrected them on future models.

 

[Sweetums]

No, Jeep actually has the manual shift correct, and I was very happy when I saw that.

Sit yourself in a Porsche with a PDK, THATS how it should be.

Forward for downshift, because it's easier to apply positive control when decelerating.
Pull back for upshift because it's easier for positive control when accelerating.
They even have flappy paddles correct, downshift is on the left side of the wheel and upshift is on the right side.

Anyone who has raced, or is familiar with high performance sports cars with shiftable automatics/semi-automatics should agree.


BMW, for some strange reason, for a while got it very wrong with their paddle shifters. They had up and downshift on both sides of the wheel, push the paddle to upshift, pull the paddle to downshift. So here I am test driving a 3 series and pulled the right side paddle to upshift while entering the freeway and THE DAMN THING DOWNSHIFTS! What.in.the.actual.fuck? So when I bought a 3 series I rewired them to function the way they are supposed to, and BMW eventually corrected them on future models.

Another thing that's backwards is bicycle brakes. Front brake should be on the right, dammit! All my bikes have been swapped - so it will be funny as hell if someone steals one and goes to jam on the rear brake.

 

[rubicon4wheeler]

The "Autostick" transmission in the Jeep is correct: forward to go slower (downshift) and back to go faster (upshift). This is how race cars are (reverse manual valve bodies, Lenkos, sequential shifters, etc.), and motorcycles are (pull back (up) on your foot to upshift, push forward (down) to downshift). Similarly, on airplane's rudder is controlled by a yoke which you push forward to go down and pull back to go up.

It's intuitive; it's how the brain is wired. Well, for most people, I guess.

There have only been a handful of exceptions to this, and consumers have complained and criticized until the manufacturer got it right.

 

[Gvsukids]

I'm sure the computer will prevent a money shift but I don't want to test it.

Yes, it will.

15 years of bumping that thing down unintentionally.

Don't slide off the seat.

 

[4-Play]

I wish I could say this was mine. Guy was offered 6 figures for this car and the first one was a 3. He declined…

 

[DylanM]

My opinion, the race and manual transmission comparisons just don't translate over here. We're talking about a Jeep truck. It's not a racecar, it's not a sportscar, it's not a dragster, it's not a motorcycle, and it sure as hell isn't an airplane. It doesn't have any sort of manual transmission, it's an automatic.

For anybody that's driven a car/truck with automatic transmission in the USA since the mid-sixties, regardless of whether it's column or floor shift, an automatic transmission has either a PRNDL, PRND21, or PRND321 pattern. With a column shift to go to a lower gear you move the lever down, not up. To go to a higher gear you move it up, not down. For a floor/console shifter to go down a gear you move the lever to the rear, not the front. To go up a gear you move it forward, not backwards. For those accustomed to how to manually shift an automatic transmission the one in the Gladiator is backwards.

Similarly, on airplane's rudder is controlled by a yoke which you push forward to go down and pull back to go up.

Not to be rude, but you obviously don't understand airplanes or their controls. With exceedingly rare exception the yoke doesn't control the rudder, and in those rare occasions, pulling and pushing on it does not move the rudder. The rudder controls yaw, not pitch. Controlling pitch in an aircraft and manually shifting a transmission have about as much to do with each other as honking your horn does with changing your radio station.

 

[Sweetums]

Similarly, on airplane's rudder is controlled by a yoke which you push forward to go down and pull back to go up.

Um, no. Sorry, but every part of that sentence is wrong.

The rudder controls yaw, not pitch and the control for the rudder is the rudder pedals, not the yolk or stick.
The yolk controls the ailerons (wings control surfaces) and elevator (horizontal stabilizer control surfaces). The rudder petals at the feet control the rudder (vertical stabilizer control surface) and the wheel brakes when on the ground.

About as close as you can get to "changing gear" in an aircraft is changing the prop pitch - and aircraft with variable pitch props are usually doing that automatically based on density altitude and throttle setting.

 

[ChrisNLA]

My opinion, the race and manual transmission comparisons just don't translate over here. We're talking about a Jeep truck. It's not a racecar, it's not a sportscar, it's not a dragster, it's not a motorcycle, and it sure as hell isn't an airplane. It doesn't have any sort of manual transmission, it's an automatic.

For anybody that's driven a car/truck with automatic transmission in the USA since the mid-sixties, regardless of whether it's column or floor shift, an automatic transmission has either a PRNDL, PRND21, or PRND321 pattern. With a column shift to go to a lower gear you move the lever down, not up. To go to a higher gear you move it up, not down. For a floor/console shifter to go down a gear you move the lever to the rear, not the front. To go up a gear you move it forward, not backwards. For those accustomed to how to manually shift an automatic transmission the one in the Gladiator is backwards.

Having owned sports cars, column shift trucks, manual and automatic transmissions, vehicles with paddle shifter, etc...

The Gladiator operation seems natural to me.

For that matter:

My Chevrolet truck is a column shift four speed auto. Rip it all the way down for 1st and shift upward.

My Camaro is a console shift six speed auto. It only has Sport Mode other than Drive, so pull it back to S and use the paddle shifters (down shift left, up shift right) to manually shift.

Finally, the Gladiator as we know, (eight speed console shift auto) push to the left of Drive and push forward to downshift, pull back to upshift.

And I am not the least bit confused or bothered on how to operate any of them

Edit: To be fair I'm not needlessly shifting my vehicles all the time so it's a moot point. But when I do, they are all three intuitive. Now the thing I get wrong all the time is that my Gladiator is different from the Camaro on turning on the wipers, so sometimes getting back in the car I turn the wipers on instead of spraying/wiping.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

My opinion, the race and manual transmission comparisons just don't translate over here. We're talking about a Jeep truck. It's not a racecar, it's not a sportscar, it's not a dragster, it's not a motorcycle, and it sure as hell isn't an airplane. It doesn't have any sort of manual transmission, it's an automatic.

For anybody that's driven a car/truck with automatic transmission in the USA since the mid-sixties, regardless of whether it's column or floor shift, an automatic transmission has either a PRNDL, PRND21, or PRND321 pattern. With a column shift to go to a lower gear you move the lever down, not up. To go to a higher gear you move it up, not down. For a floor/console shifter to go down a gear you move the lever to the rear, not the front. To go up a gear you move it forward, not backwards. For those accustomed to how to manually shift an automatic transmission the one in the Gladiator is backwards.

It absolutely translates when you look at the reasoning behind why it "should" be forward for down and rearward for up. Momentum is momentum regardless the application. The only reason we use race cars to explain it is because in race cars the motion and function of it all is exaggerated to better understand why. The pattern PHRD321 is that way out of simplicity because 99% of drivers are only ever moving it to D, so it makes logical sense to place D before 321. But when it comes to manual shifting it doesn't make logical sense to push forward while being pulled back, or vice-versa. Also, those are also not meant to be shifted between in the same sense as a "manual shifter", they are meant for when you need to limit the gear the transmission is allowed to shift up to in applications like mountain driving or towing heavier loads.

Not to be rude, but you obviously don't understand airplanes or their controls. With exceedingly rare exception the yoke doesn't control the rudder, and in those rare occasions, pulling and pushing on it does not move the rudder. The rudder controls yaw, not pitch. Controlling pitch in an aircraft and manually shifting a transmission have about as much to do with each other as honking your horn does with changing your radio station.

I can kind of see the comparison. In an aircraft, you pull back to climb, which pushes you back in the seat. You wouldn't want to push forward to climb because its counter-intuitive to push forward while your body is getting pulled backwards. Same goes with shifting, pull back to upshift because it's also counter-intuitive the other way around.

Many people get confused with yoke controls and think they are backwards as well, and by backwards they think you should push forward to climb and pull back to dive, which also makes absolutely zero sense and my mind is blown everytime someone says that.

 

[DylanM]

And I am not the least bit confused or bothered on how to operate any of them

Edit: To be fair I'm not needlessly shifting my vehicles all the time so it's a moot point. But when I do, they are all three intuitive. Now the thing I get wrong all the time is that my Gladiator is different from the Camaro on turning on the wipers, so sometimes getting back in the car I turn the wipers on instead of spraying/wiping.

I never said anybody was confused or bothered as a result, just that it's backwards from what's been the norm for the majority of cars and trucks here for over half a century. To also be fair, since pretty much everybody has changed to pure electronic transmission control instead of mechanical inputs fewer and fewer will have had experience with auto shift patterns including lower ranges than drive.

Wiper controls and high beam operation are definitely the most common issue for me as well, rather surprised I haven't broken the stalks off in my LJ trying to push forward for brights and up for mist.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So I have noticed this since I bought my rig in 21 but it never bothered me much until today
Are the steering wheel directional buttons for the dash screen backwards? I press down, the screen number goes up and vice versa

AND the manual shifter mode is also backwards to me

To me, they way my brain is thinking... Down is down and up is up.If I press down on the steering wheel button... The screen number should go down.If I'm shifting manually, if I pull towards me the gears should go down

Or is it just me. Lol I find this iconic though because when I'm played video games, my Y akis was always inverted (up is down and and down is up) haha

I know people argue about it - but the transmission is backwards in many ways.
People point to 1st being up, then back to upshift to 2 - but then you have to consider 2 to 3 - which is UP.
So they are only half right, and half of the shifts they are WRONG - I push FORWARD for higher gears - 5th is up, not pulling back.
All automatic floor shifts over the years - 1st is rearward, and you push forward to UPshift.
So those of us who grew up with transmission floor shifts in automatics, these are totally backwards.

I've posted a video that counters the argument of upshifting under acceleration - a race car that does 8 in the quarter, 180 mph, and he moves the shifter BOTH directions. So it's not necessary for anything other than - that's just how they did it. You don't need it to be pull back to upshift, Kevin proves that with his car on the strip.
Don't try to convince anyone that you need to pull back to upshift during heavy acceleration - just check out some drag vehicles.



UPshift and DOWNshift. yeah, the shifter is backwards.

But when you scroll in a pdf or computer screen - you scroll down and the page numbers increase...........

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