Jeep is Cutting Prices and Adding Content!

[dayusmc]

My last Tacoma was a 2019 model Tacoma TRD PRO and I absolutely hated it (but kept it for 5 years).
The solid front axle makes a world of difference when going off-road and Jeep's 4WD systems work much better than the Tacoma's.
I don't think I'll ever buy another Toyota Truck.

My last truck was a 2018 Tacoma TRD, looked great, everywhere I went I got compliments in it.
But it drove terrible and after lifting it about 1.5" in the front (wescott designs like specificly for TRD PRO, not a spacer lift) it was even worse.
That is when I made the switch to Jeep and love them. Jeeps are totally different and better in my opinion. But dam they are EXPENSIVE!!!

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[Like-a-virgin]

Last time i checked this was a conversation about price . Comparing vehicles is a normal thing when deciding on a purchase.

Mine’s a JEEP.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If I were a new buyer today I pick up a great deal on a 23

Unreal the killer deals on brand new nice 2023s. Anyone wanting to just get into a JT for the first time - that's where I'd look if just starting out. You can get a nice 2023 Rubicon for LESS than I paid after discounts on my 2022 Overland.

 

[smlobx]

If you are ever in the market for an upscale SUV, compare the EU and Asian brands first. Get a genuine feel for them and the cost of maintenance. Then, drive and really compare to a new Grand Cherokee Summit.

You will walk away with new knowledge of the Jeep badge. They are amazing.

BTDT having owned a BMW and 2 Porsche SUV’s so I’m pretty familiar with them. The issue is what a GC will be worth in 5 years. I’ve owned 4 Grand Cherokees too and typically drive them into the ground putting over 120K on them (which I usually do with most of our vehicles).

I’ll admit that the upper end GC’s have a very nice interior but their dealer service and parts availability leave a lot to be desired. As an example my Porsche dealer will come to my house, leave me a loaner when they come and pick up my Porsche for service. Jeep? Haha.

 

[Uparms]

For those watching 2024 prices, is this a true statement???? """ as well as the refreshed ’24 Gladiator midsize pickup, whose manufacturer’s suggested retail price is $1,700 lower this week starting at $38,990"""?

 

[Stan H]

Well

Hopefully the 4xe will have acceptable pricing. I'm looking forward to it. I'm okay with it coming with the 4 cylinder turbo in that case but sure would be even cooler if they could shove the hurricane straight 6 in there. I might have to go that route instead

Well opinion warning : 4XE is not for me . State is not flat enough . We only have just a few charging stations. Electric is high enough. To the next big biggest cities are spaced out. I have to travel usually 130-180 per day . I can't see an advantage to owning one. The turbo 4 cylinder I am unaware of its power without the side by side power of the electric motor but figure it wouldn't be too terrific. By themselves as pure electric and not in regenerative mode the Wrangler 4xe only has 21 miles of range. So it is obvious it must be ran in conjoined mode constantly. Not lets say something happened to the 4cylinder turbo. Your out on trail or overlanding and had to use pure electric. The only way one could make it back is to have a generator with them and recharging till you could make it somewhere to be towed. I suppose some places are well suited for such a vehicle possibly. I just can't put my trust in something like that. What I think they need to do is stick with the 3.6L. And just increase the Horsepower and Torque slightly and leave well enough alone. Just an Opinion not meant to disparage any other opinion. If ya have one and it works for ya Kudos ?

 

[BourbonRunner]

BTDT having owned a BMW and 2 Porsche SUV’s so I’m pretty familiar with them. The issue is what a GC will be worth in 5 years. I’ve owned 4 Grand Cherokees too and typically drive them into the ground putting over 120K on them (which I usually do with most of our vehicles).

I’ll admit that the upper end GC’s have a very nice interior but their dealer service and parts availability leave a lot to be desired. As an example my Porsche dealer will come to my house, leave me a loaner when they come and pick up my Porsche for service. Jeep? Haha.

I dunno about your first point, Eddie. All luxury cars drop value like a lead balloon as soon as you drive them off the lot. Which is why most times I have bought them gently used and let some other guy take the depreciation hit. If anything Jeep has that massive depreciation in common at least with the Grand Cherokees, always have because they build so many of them.

With regard the the rest- Unequivocally. Without question the service at the luxury brands is almost always better than the genpop.

IE: Mercedes damn near fellated me every time I came in for a regular maintenance and.... they probably should have given the cost. Same with BMW. When you buy a luxury brand, you expect luxury treatment, and there isn't a domestic I'm aware of that has yet risen to that level. Lincoln tried but given their sales numbers, nobody cared.

The biggest issue Stellantis has with all their brands, and the main reason why Alfa failed and the Wagoneer is getting rebadged as a Jeep instead of its own sub-brand: Chrysler service and dealers suck. Even when that same dealer group has Lexus, Benz, BMW, etc in their portfolio they somehow manage to still screw it up at the CDJR store. FCA wanted Chrysler's dealer network for the Alfa and Fiat brands but neglected to realize the dealers were the weakest link in the entire chain.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

State is not flat enough . We only have just a few charging stations. Electric is high enough. To the next big biggest cities are spaced out. I have to travel usually 130-180 per day

Flat doesn't matter.
charging stations don't matter - it's a hybrid. You don't HAVE to charge the batteries.
130 miles - in fair weather temperatures you can likely, even with hills, get 20 miles on a charge.
So the first 20 miles would be either no gas, or very minimal gas burned.
After that, you get typical Wrangler or Grand Cherokee mpg.
Assuming 130 round trip - 115 out and 115 back.
First 20 of that first 115 is electric. The rest is hybrid.
Then if you didn't charge at your destination, the remainder would be 115 in hybrid mode.
Lack of charging stations really don't mean anything with a 4xe.
We drove ours from central Iowa to Sarasota, FL - charged at home, the rest was all hybrid.
In the mountains, it was like having a fair size V8 or even a diesel in the Wrangler. In other words, it went up those grades like a 392 or a 3.0 diesel might - hardly any shifting. What's that prove? That the torque and HP is there, it doesn't need to shift down.
We didn't charge it again until we left Sarasota and stayed with my son in St. Augustine, FL.
Then we got 25 miles on all electric before it switched into hybrid mode and that's how we drove all the rest of the way back.
Lack of charging stations really only count for an EV, not a PHEV. In fact some people never really charge these, or don't fully charge. Head of Jeep in the US says that the majority do, but then, not all.

Not lets say something happened to the 4cylinder turbo

Yeah, let's say that - and let's say that you are out on the trails and something blows on the 3.6 or let's say those who take their pure 2.0 turbo out on the trails and the thing blows. Then what?
You recall that Wranglers are sold with just the 2.0 turbo as well, right? So what do those guys do - avoid trails??
Jeep is also installing a network of chargers at some of the major trail heads and they have plans to accelerate that.
In other words - take any Jeep to the trail, the engine can blow, or an axle can break or a transmission grenade.

 

[Xrayphoton1]

Well

Well opinion warning : 4XE is not for me . State is not flat enough . We only have just a few charging stations. Electric is high enough. To the next big biggest cities are spaced out. I have to travel usually 130-180 per day . I can't see an advantage to owning one. The turbo 4 cylinder I am unaware of its power without the side by side power of the electric motor but figure it wouldn't be too terrific. By themselves as pure electric and not in regenerative mode the Wrangler 4xe only has 21 miles of range. So it is obvious it must be ran in conjoined mode constantly. Not lets say something happened to the 4cylinder turbo. Your out on trail or overlanding and had to use pure electric. The only way one could make it back is to have a generator with them and recharging till you could make it somewhere to be towed. I suppose some places are well suited for such a vehicle possibly. I just can't put my trust in something like that. What I think they need to do is stick with the 3.6L. And just increase the Horsepower and Torque slightly and leave well enough alone. Just an Opinion not meant to disparage any other opinion. If ya have one and it works for ya Kudos ?

From what I understand the 4xe system on the 2025 model is supposed to be all new and not like the current Gen. Hopefully there will be an improvement in range and reliability

 

[ShadowsPapa]

From what I understand the 4xe system on the 2025 model is supposed to be all new and not like the current Gen. Hopefully there will be an improvement in range and reliability

Reliability hasn't been an issue - but range could be better. The worst of it all is that with a Wrangler, you get a dinky 17 gallon tank for gas.
if planning a long drive, try to make sure there are gas stations within 300-350 miles, ignore their bogus 370 mile range - it's a joke unless you are on the flattest parts of Florida with 0 mph winds.
You might make it that far, but then if the next station if 50 miles away..............

 

[ZoMojave]

BTDT having owned a BMW and 2 Porsche SUV’s so I’m pretty familiar with them. The issue is what a GC will be worth in 5 years. I’ve owned 4 Grand Cherokees too and typically drive them into the ground putting over 120K on them (which I usually do with most of our vehicles).

I’ll admit that the upper end GC’s have a very nice interior but their dealer service and parts availability leave a lot to be desired. As an example my Porsche dealer will come to my house, leave me a loaner when they come and pick up my Porsche for service. Jeep? Haha.

Unfortunately, that is where the rub is with the Jeep brand these days. Dealer support and parts availability. And I think it is more manufacture support more than dealer neglect. The dealer's hands are tied (for the most part) to factory policy.

My Jeep dealer is great, and I have a solid relationship with them but there is only so much they can do. As a retired tech of thirty years for GM at one of the consistent top fifteen stores in the five-state region in the upper Midwest it was never this way. We always made things right for the customer and had much leeway to do so. But I retired in '08 and it's a different scene now. Fact is that the dealer experience and slim picks of quality technicians out there today is a real concern. But I believe that this is across the entire line of all brands domestic and import.

Yes, high end brands from across the pond highlight the sales and service experience and are offering longer warranties with a couple of years complimentary maintenance. The MSRP's show it though.

I trade at least every three years, so I log no more that 50K miles on my daily drivers. I have only myself to blame when it comes to complaining about resale!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Unfortunately, that is where the rub is with the Jeep brand these days. Dealer support and parts availability. And I think it is more manufacture support more than dealer neglect. The dealer's hands are tied (for the most part) to factory policy.

It's hard to disagree with that after my recent experience with the JLU transmission leak.
I finally got the attention of the service manager - who agreed, but they still put together a "work order" that said they tried to resolve the leak by taking out the gasket and using MOPAR RTV and even that failed. (they didn't actually, but apparently that was a necessary step)
He had trouble getting STAR to respond, contact him back and it took some doing to get them to agree - transmission. And that's even with the dozens of failures they've experienced in over a year's time. He got the regional technical rep involved, took two days to get STAR involved and Jeep customer service was totally worthless and never did a thing in the whole process.
Even a good dealer can have hands tied by corporate.

 

[BourbonRunner]

Even a good dealer can have hands tied by corporate.

Without question... and most dealers in our area, all brands are outposts of larger multi-unit, multi-brand outfits. Some are worse than others but I don't think any are actually good.

But what galls me is the Mercedes and the Ford dealers are the same corporate parents, separated by a few miles and the experience, facility, are much, much different. I don't understand how/why they don't spend a little training their staff and teaching them about product AND customer service. And don't get me started on the Toyota or Jeep store. MileOne owns the Subaru store we bought her car from and the one closest to us. Radically different- we'd regularly drive 30 minutes instead of 5 for service.

 

[Stan H]

Unfortunately, that is where the rub is with the Jeep brand these days. Dealer support and parts availability. And I think it is more manufacture support more than dealer neglect. The dealer's hands are tied (for the most part) to factory policy.

My Jeep dealer is great, and I have a solid relationship with them but there is only so much they can do. As a retired tech of thirty years for GM at one of the consistent top fifteen stores in the five-state region in the upper Midwest it was never this way. We always made things right for the customer and had much leeway to do so. But I retired in '08 and it's a different scene now. Fact is that the dealer experience and slim picks of quality technicians out there today is a real concern. But I believe that this is across the entire line of all brands domestic and import.

Yes, high end brands from across the pond highlight the sales and service experience and are offering longer warranties with a couple of years complimentary maintenance. The MSRP's show it though.

I trade at least every three years, so I log no more that 50K miles on my daily drivers. I have only myself to blame when it comes to complaining about resale!

I used to do that , My Dad never had but 1 new vehicle in his 56 yrs. of Marriage . That was a Dodge Ram Van. All the rest of his vehicles was used . He had to wrench on them . I helped him always said I aint never doing that. But the prices of vehicles has went up and up and up. It has got to the point that wrench and repairing on one of these Jeeps is probably the better option. Buying a new vehicle anymore is like paying rent on a really nice house. The monthly payment plus the cost of insurance for a 6 month premium. I pay right around 1000 bucks a month between the 2. I been buying new vehicles for 27 yrs. This is definitely ? % my Last new vehicle sorry Stellantis ? .

 

[bleda2002]

Well

Well opinion warning : 4XE is not for me . State is not flat enough . We only have just a few charging stations. Electric is high enough. To the next big biggest cities are spaced out. I have to travel usually 130-180 per day . I can't see an advantage to owning one. The turbo 4 cylinder I am unaware of its power without the side by side power of the electric motor but figure it wouldn't be too terrific. By themselves as pure electric and not in regenerative mode the Wrangler 4xe only has 21 miles of range. So it is obvious it must be ran in conjoined mode constantly. Not lets say something happened to the 4cylinder turbo. Your out on trail or overlanding and had to use pure electric. The only way one could make it back is to have a generator with them and recharging till you could make it somewhere to be towed. I suppose some places are well suited for such a vehicle possibly. I just can't put my trust in something like that. What I think they need to do is stick with the 3.6L. And just increase the Horsepower and Torque slightly and leave well enough alone. Just an Opinion not meant to disparage any other opinion. If ya have one and it works for ya Kudos ?

I'm not convinced you get the 4xe and how it works or what it's real purpose is. Think Prius in that you don't have to charge it, it charges itself off brakes and engine. If you want to charge it, you can but you can run it it's whole life with out and still get the full HP/tq out of it everywhere you go.

It's also not built for mpgs, It's built with the idea that the electric motors are power adders. Fuel economy is a distant like 3rd for the purpose of the 4xe, the jeep engineers designed the 4xe with the idea of getting power first and everything else 2nd or third. Electric range didn't really matter as long as they hit the minimum to get the credit so that's what they did and then they could advertise it as a decent around town option but really, it's all about that HP/tq.

No one should be buying a 4xe purely for fuel economy or electric range, those are just bonuses, instead it's like the Toyota hybrid trucks, it's hybrid for power and performance any other extras you get are just gravy on top.

Also the turbo 4 is more powerful and torquey than the 3.6, the 4xe never runs on just the 2.0, but if it did it would still be better than the 3.6 just more heat (hence why it didn't make it to the gladiator as they would hav e had to put a lower tow rating in the already cooling limited gladiator). I'm assuming the 2025 might bring the 3.6 hybrid to the gladiator instead to help with cooling. The Pacifica already uses the 3.6 and the electric motor is in the tranny which bolts up to both the 3.6 and the 2.0 so it shouldn't be too hard for jeep to figure this out.

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