Jeep wants your input as to what powerplant to add

[smlobx]

I originally said the 5.7 because the glad needs more power without the complications of a hybrid or high strung turbo and in the middle of the night I came up with another option….

What if Jeep added 2 more cylinders to the 3.6?

Here me out…
1. First we know that most if not all the V8’s they make will fit so a smaller V8 with a displacement of about 4.8 L should be no problem.
2. Many ( or at least a few) of the parts are already in production so the sharing of common parts would keep development and supply costs down.
3. It shouldn’t take a decade to bring this into operation.
4. The increase in horsepower/torque could be about 20-25% more which would be (at least for me) a sweet spot and possibly be somewhat more frugal than the 5.7.
5. By offering this engine in the Gladiator it would not compete with the Ram 1500 but still give those of us who want more power a relatively simple yet dependable solution.
6 The “Conquest” (my name, feel free to use it Jeep!). Would put out about 350HP and about 320 pound/feet of torque. This would slot nicely below the 5.7’s 395/410 numbers.
7. It would also be a class leading power plant, something that Mopar is (or at least used) to be known for.

Now, this would assume that Stelantis fixes the rocker/ camshaft issues that seem to crop up with more regularity than they should.

Are you listening Tim?

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[Not2Late]

All very interesting, and I really do wish they would listen. Unfortunately, I think it is all a numbers game:

1. What sort of content (including the engines) will appeal to the most people and sell the most number of vehicles? I seem to think the 392 wrangler exists not because of a public clamor for it, but more as marketing (bragging rights) to fight the Bronco and others. Even then, they kind of ruin it with cylinder diactivation (see #4), clutch pack transfer cases, forced AWD, inflated costs, etc.
2. How much commonality can be shared across platforms to reduce costs.
3. Calculation of how much exposure they have in the 5y/60,000 mile warranty period. What could be the anticipated repair costs for any choices they make. I think this also drives sticking with what they know - commonality and shared parts/software histories.
4. How goverment requirements (corporate mileage, safety, etc.) impact #1 and #2.

 

[Greg_L]

To me the real question is...how many regular every day people give a shit? Not hardcore crusty dirty Jeep enthusiasts. I'm talking regular people that just want a Jeep that will rarely, if ever, see dirt. Those are the people companies are concerned with. They're not worried about Hemis and Hurricanes.

 

[sharpsicle]

To me the real question is...how many regular every day people give a shit? Not hardcore crusty dirty Jeep enthusiasts. I'm talking regular people that just want a Jeep that will rarely, if ever, see dirt. Those are the people companies are concerned with. They're not worried about Hemis and Hurricanes.

Exactly.

It’s important to remember this forum is a very niche part of Jeep’s market. You can say “all of us here want it, so that means they should” but in reality it’s a small drop in the bucket.

 

[Greg_L]

Exactly.

It’s important to remember this forum is a very niche part of Jeep’s market. You can say “all of us here want it, so that means they should” but in reality it’s a small drop in the bucket.

Totally.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

To me the real question is...how many regular every day people give a shit? Not hardcore crusty dirty Jeep enthusiasts. I'm talking regular people that just want a Jeep that will rarely, if ever, see dirt. Those are the people companies are concerned with. They're not worried about Hemis and Hurricanes.

They sold a lot of Hemis. Tried to kill it, but now it’s back. It seems there are plenty of people that want it.

 

[Lochsa]

5.7 Hemi would be perfect in a Gladiator. The option on my 2018 Grand Cherokee was only $4500.
Lot of HP and torque, not much complication. Price the option reasonably !!!

 

[Greg_L]

Consumers are the

They sold a lot of Hemis. Tried to kill it, but now it’s back. It seems there are plenty of people that want it.

Why isn't it all over our kinds of Jeeps then?

 

[smlobx]

To me the real question is...how many regular every day people give a shit? Not hardcore crusty dirty Jeep enthusiasts. I'm talking regular people that just want a Jeep that will rarely, if ever, see dirt. Those are the people companies are concerned with. They're not worried about Hemis and Hurricanes.

While I won’t disagree with you, the idea of offering just one engine for all is just poor strategic planning and as a result the sales numbers have dropped and their competition has pulled away.
Clearly the bean counters were wrong…

 

[nanook12]

You would want two types of engines, one for the climber/crawler - low end torque (diesel).
And one for the Baja type cruising (hemi)…You could offer the 3.6L in the mall crawler… low end performance…Soccer Mom van, engine. Since the diesel has just been deleted by the EPA, that one is a no brainer.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You would want two types of engines, one for the climber/crawler - low end torque (diesel).
And one for the Baja type cruising (hemi)…You could offer the 3.6L in the mall crawler… low end performance…Soccer Mom van, engine. Since the diesel has just been deleted by the EPA, that one is a no brainer.

Wow, your prejudices and assumptions are showing loudly like fluorescent orange paint.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

5.7 Hemi would be perfect in a Gladiator. The option on my 2018 Grand Cherokee was only $4500.
Lot of HP and torque, not much complication. Price the option reasonably !!!

Cooling issues for the tow ratings............ people keep forgetting that these just made the grade as it was with the 3.6 and diesel - and there's a lot of folks complaining of diesel heating issues. It's not simple in these. People assume hey, it will fit, drop it in. Sorry, it's a whole lot more complex than that to keep the "best in class" towing and payload, pass all the SAE testing, the cooling issues, the added torque and HP and so on. You can't move a fan in these without filing papers with the EPA.

 

[nanook12]

Cooling issues for the tow ratings............ people keep forgetting that these just made the grade as it was with the 3.6 and diesel - and there's a lot of folks complaining of diesel heating issues. It's not simple in these. People assume hey, it will fit, drop it in. Sorry, it's a whole lot more complex than that to keep the "best in class" towing and payload, pass all the SAE testing, the cooling issues, the added torque and HP and so on. You can't move a fan in these without filing papers with the EPA.

I guess you aren’t keeping up with the news about the EPA?

 

[ScottBeach]

Just offer a 2500 gladiator. Epa can stuff itself along with cafe. And throw a big gas v8. Dana 60s with a full float rear. it's a 15mpg truck. Cafe requirements will kill it. I expect before 2032 1500s will not be offered unless electric and to get a real pickup you will have to 2500

 

[bill61]

I was thinking the same thing. It's amazing this hasn't happened already.

It has happened in China.

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