Max tow max tow max tow.

[Fox940]

You can tow 650lbs more, and you’re still ignoring the fact that you’ve not gotten to apples to apples after upgrades. You even admitted it. Just stop. I already said you can get what YOU want, but you can’t get lockers, motorized sway bar disconnect, and the 4:1 low range. You’d be so far past the rubicon price, it’s comical.

Again, you are missing the point. I DO NOT NEED those options and I'll build just as capable off road vehicle as your Rubicon and be (alot) of money ahead.

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[WILDHOBO]

Again, you are missing the point. I DO NOT NEED those options and I'll build just as capable off road vehicle as your Rubicon and be (alot) of money ahead.

You’re ignoring my point. I get yours, and have acknowledged it repeatedly. You’re not that difficult to understand.

 

[BlueScapegoat]

No, you are missing the point. You paid extra for the name "rubicon". I can build my Sport S Max Tow for less than you paid for your rubicon and have just as capable of an off road vehicle as some of the features you are infatuated with are not needed.

Well you're both wrong cause my TJ will walk all over both of them and I have way less into it.

So there.

 

[Blade1668]

Funny thing - you see lifted ZJs and WJs in the river bottoms in our area! Wrangler? No. Gladiator? No.

Bill,
Your on point, my retired trail vehicle was a 90XJ.
Reason for my choice of Max-Tow, 4:10 gears, wide-track axles, supposedly HD brakes, cooling and higher amp alternator, higher cargo capacity and towing. (Cons on Rubicon for me. 4:1 T-case, electric swaybar disconnect, higher tag fees annually. AKA ad-valoram tax, big reason my LJ not a Rubicon too.
In general to this thread:
Now back on my Max-Tow. Current heavy ass topper, fridge/freezer, 10 plus gallon water tank, plus up to (2) 5 gallon additional water containers, camping gear, RTT, winch, recovery gear, tools, solar system(s) house battery. That's its regular loading as of now plus I've got trailer with 4wheeler, pontoon boat or 16 ft. T.T. I've made "supply" runs for my land hauling almost 1/2 ton concrete and wood at a time home, my JT didn't seem to notice the loads. I've hauled like loads with my LJ on trailer but the JT does it better, and doesn't have 255000 miles on it.
I've been there done that on how about off-roading and breaking S###, fixing it enough to get it home to fix it right. "Figuring out how to do that without a tow rig n trailer". Packing spare parts, welder, tools ect ect adding over 500 lbs alone just so I could get it home with out a tow vehicle. I'm looking forward to getting back into vehicle camping more as I did in late 80s and 90s. "My" original overlanding vehicle was a Ford Explorer pickup in 80s I replaced it with my 91 MJ in 91 "overlanded" it east of Mississippi River until 95 then in Europe. A few things I've learned you don't want to max out your vehicle's GVW, some electric things fail regularly if exposed to water (swaybar disconnect in Rubicons) FYI the axle disconnect "CAD" on XJ's and probably the JT's "FAD" in few years) in some areas the 4:1 low T-case is to slow or low "I was off-roading with some with TJ Rubicons" they had to stop n shift out of low, losing the lockers too. Rock crawling with the added flavor of lot's of mud mixed in not the Rubicon or Moab UT. trails. Lastly I'm not going to "keep up with the Jones" or just follow along.

I have a max tow, and this meme made laugh.

Me too.

Well you're both wrong cause my TJ will walk all over both of them and I have way less into it.

So there.

Go figure my LJ was slightly over half the price of my JT. My MJ was less than half of what my LJ cost. My 90XJ was dirt cheap used and the 91 XJ was too. I spent more than double on mods for 90 than it cost me.? lockers, bumpers, slip yoke eliminater, ect ect. Probably about $7- 7.7k. I've probably spent that on fuel and oil changes and tires n rims.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Reason for my choice of Max-Tow, 4:10 gears, wide-track axles, supposedly HD brakes, cooling and higher amp alternator, higher cargo capacity and towing. (Cons on Rubicon for me. 4:1 T-case, electric swaybar disconnect, higher tag fees annually. AKA ad-valoram tax, big reason my LJ not a Rubicon too.

Your choices make perfect sense for you - you need the payload for sure - absolutely. And the towing - if you are off-road towing gets tougher - that trailer back there suddenly becomes more of a drag, more of a load pulling back on the truck, so the towing ability is a plus if you tow any type of overlanding trailer off the highway. Off-road amplifies the loads you are hauling or pulling. Totally makes sense.

Overland with tow package - same alternator as you, same cooling as you (same fans, etc.), actually from my research, the brakes are the same....... but that makes some sense, too. That's just based on research, reading and digging, it's not written in stone, it's comparing build sheets, part numbers and so on.
I don't care any more about the 4.10 ratio for my purposes. The worse that happens is you see 8th less but that's getting more and more ok with me.
Now the wide axles - I almost went HA because I would have gotten that, but the costs, and styling things that come with HA just - I wasn't so sure, so I opted to not go HA. I think my wife would have gone that way had she actually seen one. The wider axles would help towing stability and even certain ride characteristics.
Anywho - you really needed the maxtow. Your purposes pretty much dictate that choice.

If people look around - other trucks aren't that different in that they have several levels, packages, whatever, and each package or version is aimed at different market segments. My Chevy was a level that fit my needs better than some - middle-of-the-road towing and payload, comfort but not cushy, that sort of thing. I could have gotten the same truck at a different level and had a lot more towing and payload. Or less......

 

[badtux]

I had an interesting discussion with the sales guy and a guy high-up in their shop.......... yeah, quite a few here - IN THE FORUM - use their Wranglers and Gladiators off-road. But they've apparently seen info showing that in general, they are sold and driven and people buy what they like based on more psychological factors than need. They said most Rubicons and Mojaves sold across the country never see any real off-road use. Even the max tow versions for the most part tow - but not usually anything near their tow weight rating.

I didn't buy my Max Tow to tow at anything near its tow weight rating. I bought it to be able to easily and safely tow trailers of up to 5,000 lbs in a stable and sustainable manner without overstressing the cooling, suspension, or drivetrain. Consider it the "more dakka" theory of tow rating -- a vehicle with a higher tow rating, when towing less weight than its tow rating, is going to be safer than towing near the weight capacity of a lesser vehicle.

The fact that it can handle two-track Forest Service roads with aplomb is just a bonus.

 

[Blade1668]

Your choices make perfect sense for you - you need the payload for sure - absolutely. And the towing - if you are off-road towing gets tougher - that trailer back there suddenly becomes more of a drag, more of a load pulling back on the truck, so the towing ability is a plus if you tow any type of overlanding trailer off the highway. Off-road amplifies the loads you are hauling or pulling. Totally makes sense.

Overland with tow package - same alternator as you, same cooling as you (same fans, etc.), actually from my research, the brakes are the same....... but that makes some sense, too. That's just based on research, reading and digging, it's not written in stone, it's comparing build sheets, part numbers and so on.
I don't care any more about the 4.10 ratio for my purposes. The worse that happens is you see 8th less but that's getting more and more ok with me.
Now the wide axles - I almost went HA because I would have gotten that, but the costs, and styling things that come with HA just - I wasn't so sure, so I opted to not go HA. I think my wife would have gone that way had she actually seen one. The wider axles would help towing stability and even certain ride characteristics.
Anywho - you really needed the maxtow. Your purposes pretty much dictate that choice.

If people look around - other trucks aren't that different in that they have several levels, packages, whatever, and each package or version is aimed at different market segments. My Chevy was a level that fit my needs better than some - middle-of-the-road towing and payload, comfort but not cushy, that sort of thing. I could have gotten the same truck at a different level and had a lot more towing and payload. Or less......

Bill;
I believe your correct on actually same brakes too, even though H.D. brakes are said to be on Max-Tow. Cooling and higher amp alternator are probably the same too I'm sure.
I've even installed Air-lift air bags, (I should have bought ones for Dodge pickup "longer") my LJ has the sagged lift due to heavy Tuffy rear drawer and now hard top. The curse of knowing, I only depend on myself if and when S### happens.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Bill;
I believe your correct on actually same brakes too, even though H.D. brakes are said to be on Max-Tow. Cooling and higher amp alternator are probably the same too I'm sure.
I've even installed Air-lift air bags, (I should have bought ones for Dodge pickup "longer") my LJ has the sagged lift due to heavy Tuffy rear drawer and now hard top. The curse of knowing, I only depend on myself if and when S### happens.

I never thought I would, but have found myself considering air bags - max tow springs under the rear of my Overland with 500 pounds tongue weight I found it lowered the rear enough it made people think I had high beams on at night driving back home with loaded trailer. The truck sits level, but that's enough to cause headlight issues. (as it is, some still don't get LED headlights even properly aimed)

 

[DUB]

And you could say the same for any JT level - Overland has the same engine, same transmission, same cooling system, same alternator, same fan, if you order the tow package. The only differences are wider axles and different ratio. That gets you the extra 1600 pounds.
Otherwise, the Overland can be considered to have passed the same tests since it's the same save for the ratio and axle width. So if the Sport S WITH MAX TOW can handle that, so can the Overland with the 6,000 pound rating - and I tow 1,000 under that so I'm not concerned. And I get BETTER mpg than my Chevy with LS ever did. It might get into the upper 11s here in Iowa, my JT gets 13.9 and keeps up the speed limit (towing limit in Iowa is 65) with ease.

Hey Bill, I'm looking at getting an Overland with a tow package, which like you said should max out at 6000 lbs towing. This also what the current gladiator catalog says. But the dealer says according the vin specific search with manufacturers website, the maximum it can tow is 4900 lbs. Is that hogwash? It's kinda keeping me from purchasing it.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Hey Bill, I'm looking at getting an Overland with a tow package, which like you said should max out at 6000 lbs towing. This also what the current gladiator catalog says. But the dealer says according the vin specific search with manufacturers website, the maximum it can tow is 4900 lbs. Is that hogwash? It's kinda keeping me from purchasing it.

Sounds like hogwash. I’ve never seen 4900 as the limit for any trim or buildout. The lowest is 4500, there are some at 6000, 7000, and 7650. All depends on model, transmission, and whether it has the FACTORY tow package.

 

[Riccochet]

I didn't buy my Max Tow to tow at anything near its tow weight rating. I bought it to be able to easily and safely tow trailers of up to 5,000 lbs in a stable and sustainable manner without overstressing the cooling, suspension, or drivetrain. Consider it the "more dakka" theory of tow rating -- a vehicle with a higher tow rating, when towing less weight than its tow rating, is going to be safer than towing near the weight capacity of a lesser vehicle.

The fact that it can handle two-track Forest Service roads with aplomb is just a bonus.

That's exactly why I got a max tow. To pull my bass boat if my main truck is down. Plus I wanted it to be as stable as possible for when my wife tows the boat. I bought my Gladiator for truck things. I have a JK Rubicon for off road things.

 

[DAVECS1]

I like a high quality WDH when towing on my Max Tow, especially with a lift. I get squat but it is heavily limited and the ride is a bit better than stiffening up a long spring. Comes in handy off road too.

Could argue all day the merit of each model. I knew mine was going to be a DD first and toy second, so this trim made alot of sense.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Such serious discussions….here is a little towing giggle for the day for all Jeepers, max tow or not!

 

[tksmr2]

Finally after looking through a ton of pages and videos I found this; Sorry if this has been posted in this thread already.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Finally after looking through a ton of pages and videos I found this; Sorry if this has been posted in this thread already.

i love that chart because so many people forget about GCWR. Example…if yo get a max tow sport s and take it to the maximum 6250 gvwr, the maximum you can tow is 6550 and not 7650, otherwise you exceed GCWR

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