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[ShadowsPapa]

looks like the Mojave is the better option as it's a little bit taller than the Rubicon,

Does it? Does it really?
I ask, because we have a JLU Rubicon - I know, it's not apples to apples, but hold on a bit.........
My JT Overland sits the same height as our JLU Rubicon.
My JT Overland sits the EXACT same height as a JT Mojave.

I measured multiple places -
ground to sill (bottom edge of door opening where those sill protectors would go if you have them),
Ground to the inside bottom of the hitch receivers
Ground to multiple points on the frame.

Now I did leave something out before anyone jumps "no way an Overland is the same height!"
A stock overland would not be the same height.
Here's the differences between mine and stock:
My Overland has 3/4 spacers under the rear springs and taller Synergy front springs for about 1" of lift (I measured my own stock, and 3 others on a dealer lot over a year ago to get stock heights on Overland)

My Overland has stock diameter tires - stock Overland tires are about 32.2" diameter. Stock Mojave or Rubicon "33s" are 32.7, some say 32.8" diameter.
So the tire difference is a whopping 0.5" total, or that's saying Mojave or Rubicon tires on my Overland JT would lift it a whopping 1/4".
So if you put the Mojave tires on my JTO, my JTO would sit 1/4" HIGHER than a Mojave.
Take out the 3/4" rear spacers and take out the Synergy front springs, that would lower my JTO 3/4" in the rear and 1" in the front - rough numbers because any change to rear or front impacts the other end slightly. Then it would sit about 3/4 - 1" lower than Mojave, 1/4" of that being tires.

So in a sort of summary:
With stock diameter tires, 3/4" rear spring spacers and about 1" lift in front, my Overland sits exactly the same height as a Mojave.
Put the Mojave tires on my Overland and it would sit about 1/4" higher than a Mojave.
What's that all say?
The Mojave only sits roughly 1" higher than a fully stock Overland - and part of that is tires.
Anyone saying a Mojave sits higher than a Rubicon is thus suggesting that a stock Overland sits about the same height as a stock Rubicon, some of the difference being tires.

I have a feeling colors, design features (hood bulges?) fender flares and other factors make some look a whole lot taller than others when in reality, it's not even 1" difference, and Mojave vs. Rubicon - pretty much the same height.

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[ecidiego]

Meh for the orange bits but they can be taken off and painted.

How dare you

 

[ecidiego]

Does it? Does it really?
I ask, because we have a JLU Rubicon - I know, it's not apples to apples, but hold on a bit.........
My JT Overland sits the same height as our JLU Rubicon.
My JT Overland sits the EXACT same height as a JT Mojave.

I measured multiple places -
ground to sill (bottom edge of door opening where those sill protectors would go if you have them),
Ground to the inside bottom of the hitch receivers
Ground to multiple points on the frame.

Now I did leave something out before anyone jumps "no way an Overland is the same height!"
A stock overland would not be the same height.
Here's the differences between mine and stock:
My Overland has 3/4 spacers under the rear springs and taller Synergy front springs for about 1" of lift (I measured my own stock, and 3 others on a dealer lot over a year ago to get stock heights on Overland)

My Overland has stock diameter tires - stock Overland tires are about 32.2" diameter. Stock Mojave or Rubicon "33s" are 32.7, some say 32.8" diameter.
So the tire difference is a whopping 0.5" total, or that's saying Mojave or Rubicon tires on my Overland JT would lift it a whopping 1/4".
So if you put the Mojave tires on my JTO, my JTO would sit 1/4" HIGHER than a Mojave.
Take out the 3/4" rear spacers and take out the Synergy front springs, that would lower my JTO 3/4" in the rear and 1" in the front - rough numbers because any change to rear or front impacts the other end slightly. Then it would sit about 3/4 - 1" lower than Mojave, 1/4" of that being tires.

So in a sort of summary:
With stock diameter tires, 3/4" rear spring spacers and about 1" lift in front, my Overland sits exactly the same height as a Mojave.
Put the Mojave tires on my Overland and it would sit about 1/4" higher than a Mojave.
What's that all say?
The Mojave only sits roughly 1" higher than a fully stock Overland - and part of that is tires.
Anyone saying a Mojave sits higher than a Rubicon is thus suggesting that a stock Overland sits about the same height as a stock Rubicon, some of the difference being tires.

I have a feeling colors, design features (hood bulges?) fender flares and other factors make some look a whole lot taller than others when in reality, it's not even 1" difference, and Mojave vs. Rubicon - pretty much the same height.

Well, Jeep says Mojave sits 1" higher than Rubicon up front.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well, Jeep says Mojave sits 1" higher than Rubicon up front.

That's really very interesting - since my Overland sits as high as a Mojave. That means my Overland sits 1" higher than a Rubicon.

I used a real tape measure, parked so I could go back and forth between my vehicle and the 2024 Mojave. I measured multiple spots on the frame and body.
I concluded that a brand spanking new Mojave does not sit higher than my current Overland, (at least not enough to care about) thus, my snow plow equipment should work, dimension-wise.
There's a spot they tell you to measure - ground to frame - to determine mounting brackets and whether it will work or not. There might have been 1/8" difference.

This was my area of concern -

Mine measures 22 1/8"
The Mojave at the dealership is 22 3/8" - no winch, no driver, not a full tank of gas. Winch and plate on the front, plow bar on the front, it would likely drop that Mojave a tad.

Here's from my "Keep" notes -

Since the tires are roughly 1/2" taller, that accounts for the 1/4" difference between my Overland and the Mojave (my 22 1/8" vs the 22 3/8" of the Mojave)

I just went out and re-measured mine at that exact same spot - it is sitting at 22 1/8".
Put the Mojave tires on it and it would sit at 22 3/8"

So I wonder where they are getting their dimensions????

 

[Volt0]

The Mojave is good for some spirited driving ( spirited, it’s not a trophy truck ). If some day, you decide to make some engine mods, you’ll have a little more clearance too. You can always add a front locker ( ARB air ), and honestly the BLD in 4lo/or-plus should handle most things that you would want a front locker for. I would also expect the cast nuckles / steering box to last longer.

That's really very interesting - since my Overland sits as high as a Mojave. That means my Overland sits 1" higher than a Rubicon.

I used a real tape measure, parked so I could go back and forth between my vehicle and the 2024 Mojave. I measured multiple spots on the frame and body.
I concluded that a brand spanking new Mojave does not sit higher than my current Overland, (at least not enough to care about) thus, my snow plow equipment should work, dimension-wise.
There's a spot they tell you to measure - ground to frame - to determine mounting brackets and whether it will work or not. There might have been 1/8" difference.

This was my area of concern -

Mine measures 22 1/8"
The Mojave at the dealership is 22 3/8" - no winch, no driver, not a full tank of gas. Winch and plate on the front, plow bar on the front, it would likely drop that Mojave a tad.

Here's from my "Keep" notes -

Since the tires are roughly 1/2" taller, that accounts for the 1/4" difference between my Overland and the Mojave (my 22 1/8" vs the 22 3/8" of the Mojave)

I just went out and re-measured mine at that exact same spot - it is sitting at 22 1/8".
Put the Mojave tires on it and it would sit at 22 3/8"

So I wonder where they are getting their dimensions????

height from the top of the hood to the ground. Or from the high clearance fenders to the ground. ;-)

I agree, In terms of ground clearance, assuming same tires, relatively speaking, there’s not a ton of difference. I can go measure our stock JTM and our stock JTHA, and I would probably get similar results.

 

[Stinggrey 21 Rubi]

The 4:1 t case in the rubi is awesome for crawling and off road work. I would not want a jeep without it.

 

[PepperSkittles10]

My first Jeep was a ‘21 Mojave, in all honesty, I should have kept it. Since then I’ve had a ‘22 JLUR, ‘23 Tacoma TRD Pro, and I just recently got back into a new ‘23 JT Rubicon. One of the main reasons I did get rid of it was because I was regretting not having the front locker. I can make myself dizzy with all the pros and cons between a Mojave and Rubicon but they are both awesome. They present a terribly tough choice for people like me, whose needs are really, truly, somewhere in the middle.

I’m not an experienced rock crawler but I like to venture out and explore, and I’m not opposed to rocks. The Mojave suspension likely fits my needs better, but I go out alone a lot and my biggest need is TO GET BACK, so for me, for that, the Rubicon is the clear winner due to the front locker and sway bar disconnect. I know those could have been added to a Mojave, but my mechanical skills and desires only go so far, not to mention my wallet. I figure if I ever do modify the suspension on this Rubicon, I’ll likely try to make it a bit more Mojave-like, however well that can be done - or maybe I’ll find the Rubicon suspension is just fine for me. Sadly though, I don’t think I’ll ever get the hood, seats, or steering wheel of the Mojave, all three of which were fantastic, and are noticeably missed, especially the steering wheel.

Overall, I’m absolutely stoked to be back in a Gladiator and the Rubicon is the right JT for me, even if not perfect. If it weren’t for a massive discount I’d still be in the TRD Pro picking out 32” tires and wishing I’d kept the Mojave. Actually, without the discount I’d probably be in a used ‘21-22 JT, because that’s what I went shopping for and that’s how I stumbled across the discount.

Finally, I don’t envy anyone trying to decide between a Mojave and Rubicon, and I’m glad I’m not in those crosshairs any longer. Good luck to you that are, but really, you can’t go wrong.

 

[redriderjf87]

It's a shame Jeep screwed up something so simple and proven as a manual transmission with hydraulic clutch.

Still, if you do like driving manual, go that way for sure. It's fun and simple.

 

[Choatecav]

I went with the Mojave in the manual T back in '21.
No regrets.

 

[shootify]

Hey guys, I went with the Rubicon trim, which has almost 8k miles, so basically, I have approx 2 more years of warranty, CarMax is offering me a warranty GAP, which I am not taking, and I like to go with MOPAR, I just called them to get a quote for the maximum care and the agent told me the price is around $3500, however, some people claimed they got theirs for less than $2000? so whats the deal here?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hey guys, I went with the Rubicon trim, which has almost 8k miles, so basically, I have approx 2 more years of warranty, CarMax is offering me a warranty GAP, which I am not taking, and I like to go with MOPAR, I just called them to get a quote for the maximum care and the agent told me the price is around $3500, however, some people claimed they got theirs for less than $2000? so whats the deal here?

Zack at Granger motors has a post about warranty being something like $50 over cost or whatever. Search for his messages. It would be a MOPAR warranty. There are also different warranties and circumstances, too - so be careful comparing to what some other person said they paid.

 

[RubiDukkie]

so whats the deal here?

Try Granger Motors. I couldn’t find a thread for them here, but they are active on the Wrangler forum. I had got mine through them.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...anty-50-over-dealer-cost-grangermotors.93948/

DOH! ? I didn’t see @ShadowsPapa post just before this one.

 

[shootify]

thanks

 

[Rahkmalla]

Well, Jeep says Mojave sits 1" higher than Rubicon up front.

They don't. They say:

1-Inch Front Lift

But they do not specifiy which trim it is 1 inch higher than. What they do say is this:

The mojave is only .2 inches higher than the Rubicon at it's highest point (which based on my crude memory of some crude measurements i took some time ago, is roughly the rear of the roof)

Between the .2 and the better approach angle but worse departure angle (as we all know the mojave has less rake) i'm guessing the mojave is only a half inch higher than a rubicon up front and the same height in the rear.

 

[Rahkmalla]

Hey guys, I went with the Rubicon trim, which has almost 8k miles, so basically, I have approx 2 more years of warranty, CarMax is offering me a warranty GAP, which I am not taking, and I like to go with MOPAR, I just called them to get a quote for the maximum care and the agent told me the price is around $3500, however, some people claimed they got theirs for less than $2000? so whats the deal here?

[email protected] sells them for $50 over cost. I got my Mopar MaxCare 125k/8yr/100ded for 2915 IIRC. I also bought when my truck was under 12mo/12k miles. There is an upcharge if you buy after that point, i don't know the amount. Keep in mind i bought almost 2 years ago. Prices have gone up over time.

People claiming to have bought for under 2k either bought in 2019, got less years, less miles, more deductible, less coverage, or some combination thereof. It's why i hate how people talk about extended warranties. They omit a lot of crucial data (hence why i gave you every detail pertinent to mine up top)

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