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totally get that however I have the same axles as the rubicon and it can handle 700lbs of tongue weight. Just not sure why it’s different for the Mojave.
The Mojave has a "softer" suspension than the rubicon. It's not a strength of the axle thing, but a suspension thing. WDH will help a lot and possibly airbags like you've read. I have airbags sitting in my garage to install once I get a chance and I'm heading camping the beginning of April so I'll find out then if they were worth it.
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?‍♂ there’s a LOT of nay sayers on this forum when it comes to campers.

im in a max tow with a travel trailer tongue weight of 715lbs and 6,000lbs of camper. A dialed in WDH alleviates the squat from a heavier tongue and keeps you level.

-your steering will be a little lighter. It happens with all trailers. Its not dangerous feeling or un-drivable. But it’s certainly different than driving with nothing on your hitch.

-your jt will dog down a little while accelerating. Thats to be expected while pulling…it never really bothers me because im not gunning it off the line with a camper. Its not a race when i pull. And by dog down..it just takes a bit longer to get going. The power from the engine and i feel confident on the highway.

-The gas jt does FINE on the highway with a heavier camper. I get 10-12mpg towing so have about a 200 mile range between stops. Ballpark that’s every 3hrs or so for fuel and potty breaks.

-keeping your jt in manual will help. That way you can keep it in the rom range you need. I am largely in 6/7 while cruising on the highway.

-i also used the curt echo for a long time. Great device.

you NEED to measure, or at least know the frontal area of any camper you’re pulling. There is a matrix in your owners manual that says what the maximum frontal area of a camper can be for your model. At no point what I suggest exceeding any of the manufacturers recommendations, especially when it comes to frontal area and hung weight.

a a caveat i live on the east coast as sea level. I pull through the mountains but the grades are fine. The only time they are an issue is if I see a sign that says for the tractor trailers to slow down I know the grade is a little more than normal and I will usually manually shift on the second or third for the climb.

i’m not super familiar with the Mojave, so I don’t know how it will specifically handle a camper on the heavier side of its tow spectrum. But just as food for thought the gladiator does fine with heavy campers.

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Isn't the max frontal area 55 SQFT for the Max Tow?
 

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Isn't the max frontal area 55 SQFT for the Max Tow?
It is yes.

it was explained to me that the frontal area measurements refer to the frontal area of the exposed travel trailer.

Since the frontal area of the Jt is already around 36sqft.

and my travel trailer is 80sqft

80 - 36 = 44

i have a frontal area of 44sqft.

Im SURE someone will say otherwise. The owners manual doesn’t specify and iv seen the way I calculate it, as well as just using the raw sqft of the trailer, touted as fact on the web.

in the end I went with the way I calculated it after being told the same thing by two different jeep dealerships and 3 different camper dealerships.
 

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So, if frontal area of the trailer is calculated as width x height then for mine, it's 7.5' wide and ~7.5' tall giving me a frontal area of 56.25 sq.ft. then subtracting the frontal area of my Gladiator (using your figure there Gren71) that makes my frontal area as 56.25 - 36 = 20.25?

Yes, it does say exterior height is ~10' with AC but not all that is actual structure. Mine says interior height is 6.8' so add in floor and roof for an approximate 7.5' structure height.

Specs say that maximum frontal area for towing is 55 sq.ft so, I'm guessing from this calculation that I'm well within specifications, unless they are talking COMBINED frontal area of both Jeep and trailer then I'm only 1.25 sq.ft. over...not that I notice whist towing, and the front of my trailer is sloped towards the roof giving some aerodynamics there instead of like a flat wall hitting the wind ? ? ?
 

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So, if frontal area of the trailer is calculated as width x height then for mine, it's 7.5' wide and ~7.5' tall giving me a frontal area of 56.25 sq.ft. then subtracting the frontal area of my Gladiator (using your figure there Gren71) that makes my frontal area as 56.25 - 36 = 20.25?

Yes, it does say exterior height is ~10' with AC but not all that is actual structure. Mine says interior height is 6.8' so add in floor and roof for an approximate 7.5' structure height.

Specs say that maximum frontal area for towing is 55 sq.ft so, I'm guessing from this calculation that I'm well within specifications, unless they are talking COMBINED frontal area of both Jeep and trailer then I'm only 1.25 sq.ft. over...not that I notice whist towing, and the front of my trailer is sloped towards the roof giving some aerodynamics there instead of like a flat wall hitting the wind ? ? ?
Same for me. “IF” im over I certainly don’t notice it at all. Especially with the equalizer 4 point WDH i just installed . Magical.
 

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The Equilizer really is magical! I even added the friction pads to reduce noise knowing it reduces some of the sway control and I still had zero sway on the highway with some gusty winds and semi’s passing. It is a great hitch.
 

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It is yes.

it was explained to me that the frontal area measurements refer to the frontal area of the exposed travel trailer.

Since the frontal area of the Jt is already around 36sqft.

and my travel trailer is 80sqft

80 - 36 = 44

i have a frontal area of 44sqft.

Im SURE someone will say otherwise. The owners manual doesn’t specify and iv seen the way I calculate it, as well as just using the raw sqft of the trailer, touted as fact on the web.

in the end I went with the way I calculated it after being told the same thing by two different jeep dealerships and 3 different camper dealerships.
That’s interesting and I’m glad you posted that bc that’s similar to how I calculated mine. I figured minimal drag was happening at any height below the tailgate so I deducted the rough tailgate height from the overall camper height and got around 50 sq ft for my effective frontal area. If I just deduct 36 from my overall camper dimensions then I get 44 also. i think deducting the 36 is more realistic bc I doubt there is much drag happening overall on the camper at any height below the roofline of the Gladiator.
 

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The Equilizer really is magical! I even added the friction pads to reduce noise knowing it reduces some of the sway control and I still had zero sway on the highway with some gusty winds and semi’s passing. It is a great hitch.
I had the 2 point system before and used those pads before realizing they removed my only friction points ?‍♂ haha

i still have them and may give them a shot if they worked well for you.
 

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I have the BlueOx WDH/sway control system on mine. It really does the job. I have the Overland with the 8sp auto and factory trailer package...build date, June 2019.

I actually measured rear end droop with just the trailer attached and it was 1 1/2" (trailer tongue weight empty is 420 lbs and with the stuff in the front pass through probably around 500 lbs). I then raised the tongue a bit and attached the WDH bars to where they needed to be, and then pulled up the tongue jack all the way. At that point, rear end droop was only around 3/4" vs. unloaded.

On the interstate, getting passed by tractor trailers I really don't notice any sway from the wind blast.

One thing I did notice though, was one time heading home, driving north out of Richmond, VA on I-95, was that the trailer seemed to not want to follow me but wanted to sort of move a bit to one side of the lane and do it's own thing.

It was a bit disconcerting and I tried to bring it back in line with me by manually applying the trailer brakes by themselves which kinda-sorta worked until I released them again. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why this was happening until I realized that the road itself was rutted a little from all the truck traffic and the trailer was trying to simply follow the ruts. Once I adjusted my lane a little to follow the ruts, then all was good.
 

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I’ve sold it now, but last summer I towed a 23’ travel trailer that was about 5000 pounds loaded with a 550 pound tongue weight. I had a good WDH with sway control and it was stable and pulled nicely.
 
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It is yes.

it was explained to me that the frontal area measurements refer to the frontal area of the exposed travel trailer.

Since the frontal area of the Jt is already around 36sqft.

and my travel trailer is 80sqft

80 - 36 = 44

i have a frontal area of 44sqft.

Im SURE someone will say otherwise. The owners manual doesn’t specify and iv seen the way I calculate it, as well as just using the raw sqft of the trailer, touted as fact on the web.

in the end I went with the way I calculated it after being told the same thing by two different jeep dealerships and 3 different camper dealerships.
It is yes.

it was explained to me that the frontal area measurements refer to the frontal area of the exposed travel trailer.

Since the frontal area of the Jt is already around 36sqft.

and my travel trailer is 80sqft

80 - 36 = 44

i have a frontal area of 44sqft.

Im SURE someone will say otherwise. The owners manual doesn’t specify and iv seen the way I calculate it, as well as just using the raw sqft of the trailer, touted as fact on the web.

in the end I went with the way I calculated it after being told the same thing by two different jeep dealerships and 3 different camper dealerships.
Ive been told its just the frontal areas of the trailer, basically leaving the Gladiator to only tow very small trailers. This is the first time Ive heard of deducting the front of the jeep.
 

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I purchased an Apex 245bhs last year and tow with my Diesel Sport (80th Anniversary). I know it's not a read across to your Mojave, but it tows very well for me. It was easy to get the load balanced out with a weight distribution hitch and I haven't seen any issues with the tongue weight.

As a side note, I've been very happy with the camper, minus a build defect that the dealer and Coachmen took care of without issue.
 
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I purchased an Apex 245bhs last year and tow with my Diesel Sport (80th Anniversary). I know it's not a read across to your Mojave, but it tows very well for me. It was easy to get the load balanced out with a weight distribution hitch and I haven't seen any issues with the tongue weight.

As a side note, I've been very happy with the camper, minus a build defect that the dealer and Coachmen took care of without issue.
What issue did you have with it?
 

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What issue did you have with it?
The slide on mine was installed incorrectly, so it jambed after the first couple uses. The dealer took the slide out of the camper and installed new worm gears and drive motors in it.
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