New Stellantis CEO is Antonio Filosa, Former Head of Jeep

[bleda2002]

20-30 years ago the Jeep in production was the TJ and LJ Wranglers, pretty widely considered to be the best Jeeps ever made. The LJ is second in desirability only to antique military flat-fenders. The XJ is still sought after today and considered an iconic and revolutionary vehicle; it's widely considered one of the most reliable Jeeps. Jason Cammissa just did a video about it last month about how it changed the entire automotive market.

And yet even back then I heard how unreliable jeeps were, point exactly. Reputation rarely matches up to reality is what I've found.

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[AstroZombie]

If he only had a Jeep branded toupé it would really set it off right.

not gonna lie, I'd wear that too!!

 

[NC_Overland]

Unpopular opinion:

All this talk about lowering cost and getting back to simple and reliable are just pipe dreams. Jeep "getting back to it's roots" would tank the company even more. Those of us enthusiasts that grew up with Jeeps when a Jeep was a Jeep are a very small percentage of the market, we are becoming a smaller part of the market every day, and future buyers don't want what we want. They don't want simplicity they want all the bells and whistles. They don't care about longevity because we now live in a throw away society. Price is becoming less of an issue for younger buyers because credit is easier and easier to get.

I think we will see Jeep move farther away from what Jeep used to be. The only people that care about simplicity, reliability, and low cost won't be buying new vehicles in 10, 20, 30 years. The Jeep enthusiast is dying and we aren't the target market anymore. The younger tech-driven-replace-it-when-it's-not-shiny-anymore buyer is now the target market.

thank you. I was biting my tongue. That’s correct in order to keep the company afloat.

 

[Sweetums]

Agreed, like I said, won’t happen overnight, but not putting out reliable vehicles, it will never happen.

Actually, I find the Tundra engine issue they had last year as a good example of how to handle things like that. They communicated the production issue that caused the problem, issued a recall, and notified the owners of the affected vehicles that they were getting new engines. Has Jeep ever publicly acknowledged the Pentastar valve train issue…???

It only took Toyota covering up many other recall issues for years and finally being threatened with a brand-wide Stop-Sale order from the NHTSA to learn how to do a damned recall.

 

[Sweetums]

And yet even back then I heard how unreliable jeeps were, point exactly. Reputation rarely matches up to reality is what I've found.

Back then the "old" Jeeps were the last of the AMC years - YJs and Grand Wagoneers; cars that were a Frankensteinian monstrosity built from whatever could be found dumpster-diving in AMC and French parts bins.

As for simplicity, Bezos is betting on simplicity being a selling point with the Slate truck. I'd never buy one because Bezos is involved, but he seems to think there's a place in the market for basic, affordable, no-frills vehicles.

 

[Lunentucker]

Chat GPT was taking so long yesterday on this that I gave up.
They finished and saved it for me.

 

[Deleted member 67086]

It only took Toyota covering up many other recall issues for years and finally being threatened with a brand-wide Stop-Sale order from the NHTSA to learn how to do a damned recall.

If only the NHTSA would force Jeep to do a recall for the Pentastar. It’s certainly affected more engines over the years than the roughly 100k Tundra engines.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

https://minutehack.com/opinions/how-the-automotive-industry-is-adapting-to-gen-zs-demands

 

[Sweetums]

If only the NHTSA would force Jeep to do a recall for the Pentastar. It’s certainly affected more engines over the years than the roughly 100k Tundra engines.

NHTSA forced a recall because Toyota Tacomas were breaking in half on the road, a cam tick is not a safety issue.

 

[Deleted member 67086]

NHTSA forced a recall because Toyota Tacomas were breaking in half on the road, a cam tick is not a safety issue.

If the cam tick is not addressed, it results in loss of power while driving and possible destruction of the engine. Sounds similar to this, no?? “Toyota is recalling approximately 102,000 2022-2023 Tundra and Lexus LX 600 vehicles due to a potential engine failure caused by machining debris. The recall, identified as NHTSA recall 24V-381, stems from debris left in the engine during the manufacturing process, which can lead to crankshaft main bearing failure and potentially cause the engine to stall or lose power while driving.”

 

[Deleted member 67086]

If the cam tick is not addressed, it results in loss of power while driving and possible destruction of the engine. Sounds similar to this, no?? “Toyota is recalling approximately 102,000 2022-2023 Tundra and Lexus LX 600 vehicles due to a potential engine failure caused by machining debris. The recall, identified as NHTSA recall 24V-381, stems from debris left in the engine during the manufacturing process, which can lead to crankshaft main bearing failure and potentially cause the engine to stall or lose power while driving.”

I’m learning the difference between me and some of my fellow Gladiator owners is that, while I’m a Jeep fan, I don’t try to defend the indefensible. A lot of people on here are quick to criticize Toyota or GM for their handling of their production problems, but are much less critical of issues that have been occurring with the Pentastar for over a decade.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

but are much less critical of issues that have been occurring with the Pentastar for over a decade.

Not for over a decade, though............
These didn't come out until 2015 for the 2016 model year.
The issues were most numerous in later years and have slowed in subsequent years.
This design has only been out a decade.

I laugh at the "class action suit" because they lump the 2012 engine with the 2022 engine and claim "it's a known issue" and yet - no the original 3.6 issues were totally different, unrelated, very different CAUSES.
The effect was the same - follower and cam replacement.
The cause - not the same.
Do they need to address it? YES. Absolutely, and we don't know that they aren't. We don't know either way, really. We don't even KNOW numbers! We guess, speculate and try to go by forum posts.
Imagine some alien race from out there visit a hospital before they plan on taking over Earth, and see how strong humanity is and how easy it will be to take over.
Surprise!
Visit forums and you see all of the problems with Jeep in one place, magnified and repeated.
In other words - we don't know numbers - failures vs. those which go over 100,000 or even 200,000 with no failures, we don't know the years of the worst issues, we don't know the SOURCE of the engine - Mexico vs USA builds, we don't know what FCA has or has not tried, have they addressed it in any way? Any changes at all? Or are they shrugging and moving along ignoring it? We don't really know, do we?
If they know, if the numbers are high like forums believe, and if it's just being shoved under the rug hoping people will eventually move on and it will disappear, I'll be right there smacking them. But I don't have enough facts to do that at this point.
We don't know. We speculate.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

It only took Toyota covering up many other recall issues for years and finally being threatened with a brand-wide Stop-Sale order from the NHTSA to learn how to do a damned recall.

That's how every major corporation works. Teams of people run the numbers to see if it's cheaper to ignore the problem or issue a recall. Sometimes it's still cheaper to pay for a few deaths than do a voluntary recall, that's why there's a monetary value on human lives in the business world.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's how every major corporation works. Teams of people run the numbers to see if it's cheaper to ignore the problem or issue a recall. Sometimes it's still cheaper to pay for a few deaths than do a voluntary recall, that's why there's a monetary value on human lives in the business world.

When it gets to a point their stock takes a dump, they may pay attention............

 

[Deleted member 57233]

When it gets to a point their stock takes a dump, they may pay attention............

That's part of the formula, how much of a dump and how fast of a rebound are factored into it. Boeing's bullshit is a recent example of getting the calculation wrong, but they also have the guarantee of the government saving them if it gets too bad.

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