Opinions on tire weight

[Jeeperjamie]

So at this point my research on what 37's I want to run has come down to basically 2 tires, the Cooper SST Max in a 37 12.5 17 or the Cooper At3 XLT in a 37 12.5 17. Had the Milestar Patagonia's on the watch list but I feel like I'm not going to get mileage out them as I will the Coopers and it's a M/T which will make for a rougher ride. Staying under 75lbs was a big one for me and I know the sst max weighs roughly 78lbs which I can deal with 3lbs. My dilemma is the ATS3 is 69lbs and the SST is 78, 9lbs difference in weight per axle, 36 total for the Jeep. Also I'm feeling like the SST will be a little taller than the AT3, but I'm not to concerned there, more concerned about the weight. Should I worry about 9lbs or not, and if anyone has any input on either tire let me know, on any size your running. Pictures would be great as well.

Sponsored

 

[Eazye]

I really like my Patagonia MT in 37s. I run that size at full psi, roughly 35-37, and they actually do very well. They are a hybrid so kind of get on road performance of an AT and can air down to take advantage of the outer MT lugs if needed. They are super quiet for an MT and are predictable on the road with no harshness at all, I don’t think they are anyway. From Northridge4x4 I got them for $244 a tire and they do fit in the spare tire space with them aired down a little. Don’t count them out thinking you need to air them down, they are designed to be “crowned” a little to run in the center 3/4 of the tire and I don’t feel they are harsh at all.

 

[Eazye]

So at this point my research on what 37's I want to run has come down to basically 2 tires, the Cooper SST Max in a 37 12.5 17 or the Cooper At3 XLT in a 37 12.5 17. Had the Milestar Patagonia's on the watch list but I feel like I'm not going to get mileage out them as I will the Coopers and it's a M/T which will make for a rougher ride. Staying under 75lbs was a big one for me and I know the sst max weighs roughly 78lbs which I can deal with 3lbs. My dilemma is the ATS3 is 69lbs and the SST is 78, 9lbs difference in weight per axle, 36 total for the Jeep. Also I'm feeling like the SST will be a little taller than the AT3, but I'm not to concerned there, more concerned about the weight. Should I worry about 9lbs or not, and if anyone has any input on either tire let me know, on any size your running. Pictures would be great as well.

they look good too.... That is a stock Willys with the OEM MTs on it (for comparison). I’m on a 2.5” Clayton lift with Fox 2.0 shocks.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

they look good too.... That is a stock Willys with the OEM MTs on it (for comparison). I’m on a 2.5” Clayton lift with Fox 2.0 shocks.

How many miles do you got on them and what do they measure mounted. I haven't completely counted them out, especially since I have a $915 quote out the door mounted and balanced on them. That would be a huge savings over the Coopers where I'm at $1175 out door on the AT3 and $1410 on the SST Max. I run my BFG KO2S bin a 315 70 17 at 40psi rear and 39psi front so 35-37psi would be ideal. Anymore info you can provide would be awesome. Your jeep looks awesome on them.

 

[Eazye]

How many miles do you got on them and what do they measure mounted. I haven't completely counted them out, especially since I have a $915 quote out the door mounted and balanced on them. That would be a huge savings over the Coopers where I'm at $1175 out door on the AT3 and $1410 on the SST Max. I run my BFG KO2S bin a 315 70 17 at 40psi rear and 39psi front so 35-37psi would be ideal. Anymore info you can provide would be awesome. Your jeep looks awesome on them.

i think I have about 3500 miles on them....this pic is only a few weeks old. I absolutely can’t complain about them for the price. Are you getting all 5 for $915??? That is a killer deal if it is, even if it’s not.

 

[LostWoods]

Rotating mass is going to be much more a load on everything and the general rule of thumb is that 1 lb on the wheels is about 4-5lbs in the bed - namely that 36lbs feeling a lot closer to a 120-150 lbs load in the truck. This means tire weight significantly increases the need to re-gear and while a light 37 like a KO2 or that AT3 are comfortable at a 4.56 or 4.88, a heavier tire like an MT or hybrid almost mandates 4.88s or even 5.13s if you are at altitude.

IMO if you're re-gearing, go with the tire that best fits your driving style. You'll be kicking yourself over this if you need an MT and go with an AT over 9 lb/tire.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

i think I have about 3500 miles on them....this pic is only a few weeks old. I absolutely can’t complain about them for the price. Are you getting all 5 for $915??? That is a killer deal if it is, even if it’s not.

No just 4 but I found one locally someone used as a spare for $130 on marketplace and I figures I'd grab it for my spare. Basically have the guy mount it as well, probably all in for 1065 roughly for 5 mounted.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Rotating mass is going to be much more a load on everything and the general rule of thumb is that 1 lb on the wheels is about 4-5lbs in the bed - namely that 36lbs feeling a lot closer to a 120-150 lbs load in the truck. This means tire weight significantly increases the need to re-gear and while a light 37 like a KO2 or that AT3 are comfortable at a 4.56 or 4.88, a heavier tire like an MT or hybrid almost mandates 4.88s or even 5.13s if you are at altitude.

IMO if you're re-gearing, go with the tire that best fits your driving style. You'll be kicking yourself over this if you need an MT and go with an AT over 9 lb/tire.

I don't particularly need a M/T, haven't ran one in a while, been running KO2S for my last 4 sets of tires dating back to my JKU, 3 sets in a 35 one set in a 37. Was on 3:73 gears in the JKU and it was a dog on 37's with 3.8 and I didn't run them but maybe 12,000 miles before switching back to 35's because of the performance, definitely needed a regear in the JKU for sure. I'm trying to avoid that with JT and feel like 8f I pick the tire right I can based on my Buddies performance he's getting on 37 KO2S on JT Max Tow. He's getting close to 18mpgs average and has been over that on a few long trips, which is exactly where I'm trying to be. He drives a little more aggressive than I do, so I feel like I may be able to get a little better but I would be pleased to stay just above 17mpgs, that's my goal. That's why tire weight is important to me and looks the Pats weigh only 72lbs which would make them only 1lb heavier than a BFG KO2. I would imagine the Pats are taller mounted for sure than a KO2 which has to be taken into consideration as well. I have zero experience with that Pat's. I have plenty of experience with the KO2s and some with the Cooper M/Ts, never the Cooper ATs. The Cooper M/Ts I ran on my XJ did great but the on road life was not so great about 30,000 miles which isn't all that bad for a M/T but I'd rather not be buying tires at 30,000 miles especially after spending $1200 on them.

 

[Eazye]

I also do t think that the 37 feels bad at all with the 4:10 gearing, I still get 17-18 mpg in NE Ohio highway driving, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Mixed and town driving is where is see the biggest loss but it’s what I signed up for in going 37” w/o a regear. I’ve not pulled anything since going 37 but for what I use it for I’ll probably be ok. I am looking to regear this spring to 4:88 just to get back some mpg and towing but I don’t think it is necessary for how I use the truck. I am running a Pedal Commander so I feel the throttle response definitely helps mask the tire size issues.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

I also do t think that the 37 feels bad at all with the 4:10 gearing, I still get 17-18 mpg in NE Ohio highway driving, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Mixed and town driving is where is see the biggest loss but it’s what I signed up for in going 37” w/o a regear. I’ve not pulled anything since going 37 but for what I use it for I’ll probably be ok. I am looking to rehear this spring to 4:88 just to get back some mpg and towing but I don’t think it is necessary for how I use the truck. I am running a Pedal commander so I feel the throttle response definitely helps mask the tire size issues.

I definitely think the price point I can get them at would make me feel more comfortable if they wore out faster than a A/T which I feel most certainly will happen. It being a Hybrid type tire, which I have no expert with may make it last longer. I haven't talked to anyone that's had any real long term experience with the Pats other than one guy locally who claims he could of gotten 45,000 miles out of his but swapped them out at 35,000 miles because he wanted to go back to a A/T tire. He said they still a little bit of life left on them though. I mean 40,000 for a daily driver on M/Ts would be awesome, if I could get that out the Pats I'd probably be a fan for life.

 

[Eazye]

I definitely think the price point I can get them at would make me feel more comfortable if they wore out faster than a A/T which I feel most certainly will happen. It being a Hybrid type tire, which I have no expert with may make it last longer. I haven't talked to anyone that's had any real long term experience with the Pats other than one guy locally who claims he could of gotten 45,000 miles out of his but swapped them out at 35,000 miles because he wanted to go back to a A/T tire. He said they still a little bit of life left on them though. I mean 40,000 for a daily driver on M/Ts would be awesome, if I could get that out the Pats I'd probably be a fan for life.

Look at reviews, I think you will be hard pressed to find the “terrible” experience with them unless someone is looking to just blame the tire. Even my non-jeep wife notices how quiet they are compared to the Goodyear MTRs I was running (and we thought they were quiet). MTRs are probably a better east coast mud wheeling tire but if you are predominantly on-road, the Patagonia is aggressive enough w/o killing you on road.

 

[Eazye]

There may be people here who think I am 100% full of it but from my actual real life experience, I like them. I’ve used Mastercraft Courser MXTs, Duratracs, Goodyear MTRs, and the Patagonia’s, and I like the Pats the best for all around use. I had BFGs as an OEM tire on my ZR2 years ago and can’t complain about them, but they are expensive compared to alternatives and don’t recall getting any better life out of them.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Look at reviews, I think you will be hard pressed to find the “terrible” experience with them unless someone is looking to just blame the tire. Even my non-jeep wife notices how quiet they were compared to the Goodyear MTRs I was running (and we thought they were quiet). MTRs are probably a better east coast mud wheeling tire but if you are predominantly on-road, the Patagonia is aggressive enough w/o killing you on road.

Yeah I'm not about getting in the mud. Light trails for me, mainly fire roads in the NC appalachian Mtns and uwharrie area, Dickie Bell or Daniel would be the most rock crawling I would do. I'm strongly considering them now after speaking with you. If you could get me a measurement on yours mounted that would be awesome, when you get and opportunity if you don't mind.

 

[Eazye]

Yeah I'm not about getting in the mud. Light trails for me, mainly fire roads in the NC appalachian Mtns and uwharrie area, Dickie Bell or Daniel would be the most rock crawling I would do. I'm strongly considering them now after speaking with you. If you could get me a measurement on yours mounted that would be awesome, when you get and opportunity if you don't mind.

I’m pretty sure I measured them and set the Tazer to 36.23” mounted and weight on the truck. They are just over 36” mounted with weight on them. With the Rubicon highline fenders I would have been ok going with 38x13.5 but they were almost $150/tire more.

 

[Eazye]

I just went out and looked, they are probably 36.1 to 36.2”. It’s over 36 but not a lot....maybe I set the Tazer 36.1x, I don’t recall. Either way my Speedo is spot on with GPS.... it’s over 36 regardless.... Tread looks good with only 3500 on them... You can see that feint yellow line, that is where you would want the “normal pressure” contact point to run, and with 35-37 lbs of air, it stays there pretty well. I’ve let them drop to 31 psi due to temp changes and you can start to hear the outer lugs when making turns on on ramps.

Sponsored