S&B cold air intake test and dyno

[gentlejax]

Not the same thing...

You talking about something that was developed for that car by the manufacture. Was there a HP rating difference between the shaker hood model and the model without?

My Roush CAI was a closed intake and got hotter when sitting than the stock one.

Links to what??? I'm talking about personal experience on 5.0 Mustangs, 392 Chargers and R/T Chargers. Look, I'm not saying no one should get an aftermarket CAI. I'm just saying there's zero performance benefit in a daily driven car unless a couple HP (at best) is life changing to you.

Not the same thing...

You talking about something that was developed for that car by the manufacture. Was there a HP rating difference between the shaker hood model and the model without? If not, what's the benefit other than a nostalgic trim? Most of the vehicles that CAI's are put on aren't pulling fresh air from the outside like that anyways.

My Roush CAI was a closed intake and got hotter when sitting than the stock one.

Links to what??? I'm talking about personal experience on 5.0 Mustangs, 392 Chargers and R/T Chargers. Look, I'm not saying no one should get an aftermarket CAI. I'm just saying there's zero performance benefit in a daily driven car unless a couple HP (at best) is life changing to you.

you said "cold air intake doesnt do a thing to air temp" . I am saying you are wrong. the system wasnt special at all . the engine still rated 485hp. my point was about the sealed or somewhat sealed airbox kept the temps within 10 degress ambient. when open it increased up to 20 degress until I got on down the highway a few minutes. in stop and go it would stay high if it was open.

I never said anything about horsepower. but 5hp is still 5hp. tuning would help with that to be more .

you said what you said based on your experience. I said what I said based on mine.

you never mentioned anything about tuning. do you discount tuning to make more power with the parts changed ? stock car with a real cai and exhaust can make a few hp but tuning still makes them work correctly.

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[MeanGreen]

you said "cold air intake doesnt do a thing to air temp" . I am saying you are wrong. the system wasnt special at all . the engine still rated 485hp. my point was about the sealed or somewhat sealed airbox kept the temps within 10 degress ambient. when open it increased up to 20 degress until I got on down the highway a few minutes. in stop and go it would stay high if it was open.

I never said anything about horsepower. but 5hp is still 5hp. tuning would help with that to be more .

you said what you said based on your experience. I said what I said based on mine.

you never mentioned anything about tuning. do you discount tuning to make more power with the parts changed ? stock car with a real cai and exhaust can make a few hp but tuning still makes them work correctly.

You're getting onto the weeds on this one. lol

I never said "cold air intake doesn't do a thing to air temp". I said a few degrees cooler while driving at highway speeds compared to driving stop light to stop light in town and temps getting higher than with the stock unit has zero benefit when daily driving a vehicle. There no way people spend hundreds of dollars on CAI with the mindset of shaving a few degrees off there inlet temps. They want HP, the look or the sound.

The only way to improve real HP or performance in modern vehicles is to tune it to E85 or boost.
93 tunes still do very little and for the same money you can tune it to E85 and get twice the HP.

 

[gentlejax]

. There no way people spend hundreds of dollars on CAI with the mindset of shaving a few degrees off there inlet temps. They want HP, the look or the sound.

I never said people spend hundreds of dollars to get lower iat's . I dont think half the people that have the ability to read it pay attention to it .

only reason I said a thing was you said "guarantee" which I laughed at

 

[MeanGreen]

I never said people spend hundreds of dollars to get lower iat's . I dont think half the people that have the ability to read it pay attention to it .

only reason I said a thing was you said "guarantee" which I laughed at

Ok. You said a lot more than that. I still stand behind what I said. If you don’t agree because of your factory shaker hood set up we’ll have to agree to disagree. Not a big deal.

 

[gentlejax]

Ok. You said a lot more than that. I still stand behind what I said. If you don’t agree because of your factory shaker hood set up we’ll have to agree to disagree. Not a big deal.

I know what I said and its fine. Im not the one guaranteeing anything lol.

and ive had 3 chargers, 3 mustang gt 1 gto and 1 vette in the last 5 yrs . I know some of these things do more than make noise on some applications. its not guaranteed for sure .

 

[daveb]

just wash and wax it, it'll be faster then.

 

[gentlejax]

just wash and wax it, it'll be faster then.

not until I find a way to attach a rear wing !

 

[MeanGreen]

I know what I said and its fine. Im not the one guaranteeing anything lol.

and ive had 3 chargers, 3 mustang gt 1 gto and 1 vette in the last 5 yrs . I know some of these things do more than make noise on some applications. its not guaranteed for sure .

On daily driving it is and that was my point. That was the whole point of the video and the reason for this thread. You getting hung up on semantics.

 

[gentlejax]

On daily driving it is and that was my point. That was the whole point of the video and the reason for this thread. You getting hung up on semantics.

I wasnt serious about anything I said. I was laughing cause you said "guarenteed" and in the real world few things are guaranteed. I know I mentioned a lot of things but its all a matter of opinion and experience. the video posted actual data . thats what mattered. but at same time I watched a video today of a shop that duplicated the HP increase on a vehicle on a dyno that matched the sheet in the box of the intake that they bought.

 

[MeanGreen]

I wasnt serious about anything I said. I was laughing cause you said "guarenteed" and in the real world few things are guaranteed. I know I mentioned a lot of things but its all a matter of opinion and experience. the video posted actual data . thats what mattered. but at same time I watched a video today of a shop that duplicated the HP increase on a vehicle on a dyno that matched the sheet in the box of the intake that they bought.

There's 3 guarantees in life. Death, taxes and CAI's have no real benefit on a daily driven vehicle other than sound different and look different.

There's dozens and dozens of videos of cars on dynos at WOT and in a "controlled environment" with HP increases. I don't disagree with that at all. The makers of the CAI's couldn't put the dyno chart on the box if they didn't increase numbers. BUT that does not translate to daily driving.

 

[629]

After reading this thread I’ll say this…as someone who used to modify every car truck or jeep for performance. I think that the benefits that we used to see were on engines that were slugs to begin with.

A 1992 Mustang 5.0 made 225hp it had the potential for much more with some small modifications. Now auto manufacturers are pushing out pretty much as much power as possible without major modifications. They have optimized the intake the exhaust and even put thinner oil to boost fuel economy and Hp. Also thin oil for the epa but that’s another story.

For example…Now I read stories where the newer vehicles actually loose HP with a loud muffler etc.

One additional thing I’ll add. I will never run a cotton gauze oil type air cleaner element in any of my vehicles. Unless it was a track car. They do not filter dust and dirt like a normal paper element. Read the oil tests you will agree. The 2.5 HP is not worth dirt in your motor but the choice is yours.

 

[TurboHarley]

It’s a 3.6 pentstar, what do you expect?

 

[DanJT]

I installed then scoo

ps to help with under hood temps!!!

 

[Alpine Warthog]

Lets stir this pot up again. Check this video out. He used AFE Cold air and matched it with two different AFE exhausts and used the onboard 0-60 timer for all the combinations. He was able to shave a full second off of the 0-60 running a Rubi on 37s and 4.10 gears. Unfortunately he didn't dyno it but the 0-60 times are some good data at least.
Jeep Performance Upgrades - Do Exhausts and Intakes Actually Help?

 

[MeanGreen]

Lets stir this pot up again. Check this video out. He used AFE Cold air and matched it with two different AFE exhausts and used the onboard 0-60 timer for all the combinations. He was able to shave a full second off of the 0-60 running a Rubi on 37s and 4.10 gears. Unfortunately he didn't dyno it but the 0-60 times are some good data at least.
Jeep Performance Upgrades - Do Exhausts and Intakes Actually Help?

It takes a pretty big hp bump to shave a second off a0-60 time.

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