futzin'
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Well, they say that Step One is admitting you have a problem . . .Worried about Ford? 4 recalls on my 2015 Transit. Waiting to get the latest one done.
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Well, they say that Step One is admitting you have a problem . . .Worried about Ford? 4 recalls on my 2015 Transit. Waiting to get the latest one done.
True, but isn't a voluntary recall (or two) admitting to a problem?Well, they say that Step One is admitting you have a problem . . .
I wasn't speaking you directly, I was answering to the question. And my name isn't DudeWhoa, dude. I didn't come up with the plan to de-tune the engine. That is what FCA said they were doing in the recall, prior to the Stop-Sale order. Then, after initially planning to recall all manual Gladiators and apply the de-tune in the software, FCA seems to have changed tack, and issued the Stop-Sale, which might mean that they have a different plan. Of course, their plan may not have changed, and maybe they just decided to stop selling new manuals while they apply the software adjustment to their stock of new vehicles and to the ones being brought in current owners.
I get that you are annoyed. I would be too. No one wants to take their vehicle in and get the power reduced. No one. I never suggested that the de-tune was a real fix, I was presenting a couple of different scenarios that FCA might be pursuing.
If I owned a manual Gladiator I would be starting a petition on this forum and I'd include all the signatures I gathered in a letter to FCA, requesting a hardware solution - not a software adjustment that de-tunes the engine. I would not take my truck in for the de-tune - even if they say the reduction in torque only occurs under high heat, which was in one of the recall notices that I can't find right now. The recall I can find says nothing about high heat, just that they will "add software to reduce engine torque capability, free of charge" (!). You can read that recall notice here. I'd consider pursuing a couple of options: (1) I'd see if my local Jeep dealer would install a Center Force clutch for free (I buy the part, they do the labor for free). I have a great relationahip with both my local Jeep and Toyota dealers, and have been able to swing a deal like this in the past. If that didn't work out, I would go to option (2) trade in the manual for an auto, and insist politely on a very high trade-in value. Sales managers can be very reasonable when the conversation is respectful and the proposal is realistic (although there are some dealerships where that will never be true).
Good luck!
The recall repair is a software flash. No information on an upgraded clutch at this time.They are going to release an upgraded clutch and bite the bullet on the recall which Jeep has been trying to avoid. It happens.
Can you define "normal circumstances"? What is the temperature trigger?There is no difference in the engine's power output under "normal circumstances" with the Y01 flash. The torque reduction only happens if the engine controller calculates the clutch pressure plate temperature is above a certain temperature threshold. The engine's normal output torque is restored when the clutch pressure plate's temperature falls below the threshold that will not cause damage. If the driving behavior that initially caused the condition continues after full engine torque is restored, and the temperature threshold is exceeded, the engine torque will be reduced again.
Kaitlin
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Also, what is the level of reduction in torque?Can you define "normal circumstances"? What is the temperature trigger?
The temperature trigger would be very high. Go back to the original NHTSA report and see. The Jeep that burned had the pressure plate reach 1100 degrees. That damaged it. You'd have to work pretty hard to get one anywhere near that kind of temperature. You'd have to work at it just to get it to half that.Can you define "normal circumstances"? What is the temperature trigger?
Guaranteed, it will be a limp mode. It will be a DOG. The idea is that it'll make you want to park it. Anything milder won't prevent a driver from continuing to slip the hell out of it and heat it up.Also, what is the level of reduction in torque?
Thank you Kaitlin for taking the time to keep us up to date. It is greatly appreciated.There is no difference in the engine's power output under "normal circumstances" with the Y01 flash. The torque reduction only happens if the engine controller calculates the clutch pressure plate temperature is above a certain temperature threshold. The engine's normal output torque is restored when the clutch pressure plate's temperature falls below the threshold that will not cause damage. If the driving behavior that initially caused the condition continues after full engine torque is restored, and the temperature threshold is exceeded, the engine torque will be reduced again.
Kaitlin
Jeep Cares