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[Jefe1018]

Sorry, I should have said "significantly less risk" being a gas station employee. Over 60k LEOs were assaulted in 2020. We train multiple times a year, every year, on how not to get killed on duty. How not to get killed is like 40% of the academy. That's a major part of the job, and we go into every call doing what we can to minimize the risk of getting hurt/killed and it STILL happens often because it's often out of our hands.

Considering the number of patrol cops working their beats every day vs retail workers, I'd say it's pretty clear which is more dangerous overall.

It's like people loving to point out that "statistically" (depending on how you view the stats/elements) loggers have a more dangerous job, while ignoring that there are different kinds of danger. One person is worried that a piece of tree might fall on them or fly out of a mis-used machine, the other gets ambushed by people with guns and attacked by other humans intent on hurting or killing them.

Citation: FBI statistics https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fiel...cers-assaulted-and-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

Also think about the injuries and hazards after retirement. Hip injuries, back and shoulder, neck and knees, all very common in first responders from all of the repetitive movements, fights, sitting in unnatural positions, lifting heavy people and items in awkward places, etc. I’m not sure about LEO, but in the fire and ems side of we are seeing young people with heart problems and adrenal fatigue requiring TRT rather quickly.

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[Hootbro]

Was thinking that replacing the workers might be hard. I know a lot of places can't get people to work around here. Not sure how it is near these plants but I have a feeling it might not be too different.

One would not want to be a scab breaking a strike anyways.

 

[Ryan...]

Also think about the injuries and hazards after retirement. Hip injuries, back and shoulder, neck and knees, all very common in first responders from all of the repetitive movements, fights, sitting in unnatural positions, lifting heavy people and items in awkward places, etc. I’m not sure about LEO, but in the fire and ems side of we are seeing young people with heart problems and adrenal fatigue requiring TRT rather quickly.

you're absolutely correct. I'm not in my mid 30s yet I've already had multiple broken bones, torn shoulder, a really nasty high ankle sprain from getting hit by a car, and lingering neck and back pain.

Good news is, I only have 21 more years until retirement lol

 

[Alpine Warthog]

you're absolutely correct. I'm not in my mid 30s yet I've already had multiple broken bones, torn shoulder, a really nasty high ankle sprain from getting hit by a car, and lingering neck and back pain.

Good news is, I only have 21 more years until retirement lol

I feel you there brother. I'm 45 and my medical records look like they belong to somebody 75...

 

[Ryan...]

I feel you there brother. I'm 45 and my medical records look like they belong to somebody 75...

Do what I do, and remind yourself that bones heal, and chicks dig scars

 

[Alpine Warthog]

Exactly, he is nothing more than an (albeit very successful) authoritarian. It really doesn't matter what a persons politics happen to be, if they are an authoritarian sociopath (or is it psychopath), their goals are: consolidate power, put strict controls on everything, close the ranks with strong allies, take the money to caymans...

AS an interesting side conversation, Putin was a true believer in the Soviet Union. He's smart and ruthless and just because he hasn't officially returned Russia to Communism doesn't mean he doesn't dream of it. He's also a pragmatist. He's got goals of restoring as much of the former borders as he can. As for officially restoring the communist party and the rules of Communism? I don't think even he'd get away with that, but it doesn't mean he isn't trying to get as close to is as he can.

 

[Oilburner]

The UAW is concerned that as new vehicles are designed for automated production, it will take fewer and fewer workers to produce those goods.

The goal/purpose of business is not to employ people.

 

[Sdsteph]

A raise should be based on performance and attendance and safety

Performance based compensation?!?! Now you're just being silly... ?

 

[Hootbro]

The goal/purpose of business is not to employ people.

Pretty much this. Employees are just another managed expense the same as paying utilities, taxes and other tertiary things. Wages are the compensation for time and labor already expended and not a guarantee of future employment beyond what has already been compensated for.

 

[KC_H]

The goal/purpose of business is not to employ people.

In actuality it is, employees are stakeholders. If no one is employed, there is no one to purchase your products... It is a race to the bottom.

 

[Raven65]

Regarding whining about what a CEO makes, when I was a couple of years into my first "real job" after graduating college back in the late 80's, I saw one of our Exec. VP's (our top salesman and the right-hand man of the founder/CEO) come rolling into the parking lot one morning in a shiny new red Ferrari Testarossa. After I picked my chin up off the pavement and wiped the drool off my face, I went to my desk and looked up his salary in the most recent Annual Report (public company) and later complained to an older, much wiser coworker about how he made X times more than I did (I forget the exact numbers now, but obviously it was a LOT more) and how he couldn't possibly be working X times harder/longer than me, etc. - a lot of the same whining we're hearing from the auto workers and their supporters now. My co-worker replied with something to the effect of "As long as he does his job well enough to keep this company successful and earning enough money to keep paying me MY salary and keep MY job secure, I couldn't care less what they pay him or what he drives." Wise words indeed... and I have never forgotten them. THAT should be the focus here. An autoworker's pay should not be relative to the CEO's salary - or the UAW president's salary, or anyone else's pay level! It should be relative to the rest of the industry (including those at non-union plants!). MY pay is based on the industry average for my particular job - in the region I live in - and it's very fair. I don't know what the CEO of my company makes - and I don't care - as long as he does his job well enough for the company to keep me employed.

I obviously don't know all the factors at play here as I don't work in a union shop or anywhere in the auto industry, but in my opinion, if the UAW continues to hold the automakers hostage with these (what I feel are) excessive demands, it will just cause more jobs to be replaced with robots and/or moved to Mexico or somewhere else where labor is cheap - and these UAW workers will end up out of a job entirely. At the very least, it will cause auto prices for vehicles built at those UAW plants to increase to the point where they will be at a cost disadvantage against their competitors and sales will suffer - resulting less demand... fewer vehicles built... and ultimately lost jobs. They need to be looking at the bigger picture here rather than the short term - and focus on what their job is really worth rather than how much profit the company is making for the shareholders and what the executives are earning. Just my $0.02 (and it's probably not worth THAT).

 

[Ryan...]

Yeah I get it. The academy hyped you up to be a victim in order to justify gearing you up like a paramilitary unit with qualified immunity, meanwhile there's some poor schmuck trapped behind a counter and in most cases completely defenseless. At least if you're engaged, you're tooled up and have a Fighting Chance.
But the convenience store workers have "significantly less" risk. GTFOH.

Oh dang, I wish you'd told me 10 years ago it was just the Academy hyping me up for an imaginary danger, it's not even real!

I'm glad I'm just a cop pulling a stolen Glock 22 w/auto switch off a banger, two weeks before that a Taurus G2 w./extended mag, and then a Glock 17 off another kid days before that.

I can't fathom the dangers lurking for the average guy unloading milk crates off a truck, or the person selling shoes at the mall, or the guy retrieving shopping carts at Home Depot. Crap, don't I feel like a dunce. Thankfully there are people such as yourself that are vastly more intelligent than me and with a way better grasp on reality to set guys like me straight.


Anyway, you're clearly right, so I guess we can let this rest and get back to discussing why CEOs should be paid less than milk delivery men in the 60's.

 

[ecidiego]

the person selling shoes at the mall

 

[Deleted member 57233]

In every city, the majority of officers (I'm going to say 95%) are normal people that want to do right, stick their necks out to protect people and go home at night

In all my years I have never met one of these mythical officers. I learned a very long time ago, you never willingly interact with cops. Don't call them for any reason, and absolutely never, under any circumstance, talk to them.

And unsurprisingly, the further left the local government is, the more you see the brown-shirt thuggery attitude start to peak out.
These people are rewarded for that attitude and conduct, its how you see them rise to the top leadership. They get this attitude where all people are beneath them and should be kissing their boots. And you can guess where they seem to thrive. Yup, you guessed it. They love them a dem city gov. They are also the quickest to turn a blind eye and fastest to take bribes.

I'm sure the fact that police are overwhelmingly right wing and members of groups like the pride boys and loaf keepers has nothing to do with why they act like assholes and think everyone is the enemy in left leaning areas lol

 

[Jefe1018]

So guys… the strike will drive up the price of Jeeps again huh?

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