We are Suckers

[White Eagle]

I retired at 40 years old but if I could go back in time I’d be in the Hunting stuff and Off road stuff business.

Both are money makers with most of the recipients not even using the stuff.

Oh, I’d definitely go in the “Tacticool” business !

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[OCJosh]

I would love to copy and paste your comment and make it my own. I look at my JTR as my JK but with a longer bed that lets me carry more stuff and tows my toys. I couldn't be happier, just as you mentioned. I knew what I was purchasing and got exactly that. If I wanted a FordTaco or some other mid-sized pickup which have the decals screaming "Off Road" I would have bought one of them. I wanted a Jeep, plain and simple. I can easily take the doors off when I want and let the air in. I can buy stuff to make it my own, it's that simple.

 

[biodiesel]

We just need the diesel to keep being an option

Amen to that.

 

[Gvsukids]

Heck, I haven't removed the freedom panels once on mine

Careful, they'll run you out of here.

These guys only cross the Darien Gap 6x a day each day in theirs.

Probably has a soft top.

 

[VladtheGlad]

I'll take a proven, reliable and durable V8 - even the push rod variety, over a whizbang 3-cylinder triple turbo modern engine on every day that ends in a "Y". You say there are no 3-cylinder engines? Look around - there are and they are spreading. Don't ever discount the notion that one won't show up in a Jeep. Bad ideas tend to spread like mushrooms among the automotive engineering population.

There is a huge gap for potential modern engines between a 3-cylinder eco engine and 6.0 +/- antique V-8. Be serious ...

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I'll take a proven, reliable and durable V8 - even the push rod variety, over a whizbang 3-cylinder triple turbo modern engine on every day that ends in a "Y". You say there are no 3-cylinder engines? Look around - there are and they are spreading. Don't ever discount the notion that one won't show up in a Jeep. Bad ideas tend to spread like mushrooms among the automotive engineering population.

But you're not taking that old simple reliable V8.

You don't have points, or a carb, or a manual, or manual hubs.

You don't mine your own ore, forge your own rods, or any of the other "good ole days" activities.

People's power to self deceive is amazing.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I would love to copy and paste your comment and make it my own. I look at my JTR as my JK but with a longer bed that lets me carry more stuff and tows my toys. I couldn't be happier, just as you mentioned. I knew what I was purchasing and got exactly that. If I wanted a FordTaco or some other mid-sized pickup which have the decals screaming "Off Road" I would have bought one of them. I wanted a Jeep, plain and simple. I can easily take the doors off when I want and let the air in. I can buy stuff to make it my own, it's that simple.

Exactly. What other vehicle lets you have 12 doors, two tops, some people with three, different parts for different trips, and somehow it seems reasonable?

 

[BlackRuby23]

We just need the diesel to keep being an option

Disagree. The modern diesels are emissions-laden nightmares, poorly suited for passenger vehicles used for slow speeds and stop and go traffic.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

There is a huge gap for potential modern engines between a 3-cylinder eco engine and 6.0 +/- antique V-8. Be serious ...

I guess I don't understand the "antique" thing. Are you saying 8 cylinders are outdated or the 392 in particular?

But you're not taking that old simple reliable V8.
You don't have points, or a carb, or a manual, or manual hubs.
You don't mine your own ore, forge your own rods, or any of the other "good ole days" activities.
People's power to self deceive is amazing.

The ore mining comment is a bit ridiculous.
Wanting an engine that is straightforward and can be rebuilt without removing it from the car would be nice. It gets a little stupid when you have to remove the intake manifold to replace a starter. Or drop a lower engine cradle from the vehicle just to do a tune up. Emissions requirements have done more to complicate these engines than anything. DEF anyone? Can we find a way to get more power, make it shade tree mechanic friendly and get better mileage?

 

[WambliSka]

You could put IFS in the Wrangler and Gladiator tomorrow and they'd still sell just fine.

They're both out sold in their segments by IFS vehicles.

I respectfully disagree and I don't think I'm alone. No they would not, at least not to folks that know what they are doing and want Jeeps to use for the purpose they were built, not just looks....

"Real" Jeeps (not the civilized Jeep branded stuff) are sold to folks that WANT that solid front axel, if they don't want that then they can just get a nice Bronco with big tires and get it over with. Much better on-road ride and they''ll still "look the part" when they park in front of REI to shop for the latest summer fashion for "hiking" in the mall.

If Jeep start making Wranglers with the same suspension as a Taco all that happens is that older Jeeps will shoot up in price. Wranglers do not have to be No. 1 in any market segment. They just need to continue catering to their core loyal owners like me that every few years need a new Jeep and to the folks we convert to the light as we go along the trails. Jeeps are a cultural icon, part of a true lifestyle if used correctly, not a car for the masses.

And the bed might not be enough for someone looking for payload on a "working truck" which the Jeep hardly is. But, it's a great convenience when I have a load of stuff to take shooting for a training session. Some of us take more than a handgun and a box of ammo when we go out to get serious about our range day .

 

[WambliSka]

I retired at 40 years old but if I could go back in time I’d be in the Hunting stuff and Off road stuff business.

Both are money makers with most of the recipients not even using the stuff.

Oh, I’d definitely go in the “Tacticool” business !

I LOVE Mall ninja's and couch commandos. Their impulse buys creates volume which keeps the prices reasonable for those of us that actually use the stuff!!! Not to mention I can find all sorts of great deals on brand new unused gear on eBay to replace my worn out ratty stuff!!!

Hell I even thank Jeep owners that never leave the blacktop for keeping my beloved vehicle commercially viable

 

[Zachanadandy]

There is a huge gap for potential modern engines between a 3-cylinder eco engine and 6.0 +/- antique V-8. Be serious ...

And it's filled by unreliable overcomplicated garbage like the twin turbo straight 6 in the rams and wagoneers and Toyota 4cyl/hybrid everything. I'll take a 5.7 or 6.4L to power a truck any day over any of the more modern offerings. Even toyotas newer v35a twin turbo v6 ended up with 127k engines being recalled... from Toyota with THE reputation for reliability. Every modern engine promising v8 power and good fuel economy has turned out to be warranty and recall nightmares. Newer isn't necessarily better.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I guess I don't understand the "antique" thing. Are you saying 8 cylinders are outdated or the 392 in particular?

The ore mining comment is a bit ridiculous.
Wanting an engine that is straightforward and can be rebuilt without removing it from the car would be nice. It gets a little stupid when you have to remove the intake manifold to replace a starter. Or drop a lower engine cradle from the vehicle just to do a tune up. Emissions requirements have done more to complicate these engines than anything. DEF anyone? Can we find a way to get more power, make it shade tree mechanic friendly and get better mileage?

Name one engine you have ever rebuilt without removing it from the car.

Name the last time you pulled an intake to change a starter.

 

[Zachanadandy]

But you're not taking that old simple reliable V8.

You don't have points, or a carb, or a manual, or manual hubs.

You don't mine your own ore, forge your own rods, or any of the other "good ole days" activities.

People's power to self deceive is amazing.

Self deception is strong with you in particular. Points were a wear item that needed adjusted and/or replaced regularly, far less reliable than electronic ignitions. Carbs were impossible to keep properly tuned especially in a Jeep that sees both extreme operating angles and huge elevation changes on a regular basis. Wildly inferior and less reliable than modern efi. You sound like you're either not old enough to remember the pitfalls of the old fuel/ignition systems or so old that age related memory loss is in full swing. Simple and reliable means modern efi not homemade forgings and carbs. It doesn't mean overly complicated twin turbos either.

 

[biodiesel]

If Jeep loses the loyalists, the purists, the brand is done.

The problem is that the Jeep loyalists/purist group is shrinking. Generally speaking, the younger generation isn't brand loyal at all.

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