Why do you like or dislike Auto start stop (ESS)?

[steffen707]

I don't like it because I have been driving for 35+ years, and it is ingrained in my consciousness that if the vehicle 'dies' when you did not turn the key switch off, something is wrong & you are now an obstacle in traffic and in a potentially dangerous situation.
It's as simple as that-
Whether my brain will accept new programming that it is OK when this happens remains to be seen

freaks me out with our hybrid van, but i'm slowly getting use to it.

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[steffen707]

- Cool man!

If ESS makes you feel all warm and fuzzy - then it's a good thing. If you are happy, that's what matters.

I just happen to not agree with what you state, or the theory behind ESS; but I respect your beliefs and choices.

- Enjoy your Jeep!

I just bought a hybrid pacifica (feel like i keep telling people, lmao), I like the idea of saving money. Owned a lean burn honda civic and jetta tdi; however, for $13-20 per month savings, I'd rather not have the ESS stuff as well. Like others have said, the starter is $400? If parts of the system fail, its going to cost a lot to fix, at the same time if you own the truck for 10 years, that's $1300-$2,000 which could go to fixing these things....

i dunno. I just want that turbo straight 6 please!

 

[Tortooga Custom Works]

I'm not a fan of ESS. I'm not sure that saving a couple of cents here and there is worth the risk of it not starting as quickly as I need it to.
On my wife's jeep grand cherokee I got a SmartStopStart within a few days of taking the jeep home. Best $100 I've ever spent.
A Tazer is on my accessories list for the JT when I purchase. That will be the first mod. I'm hoping the Tazer JL will just work, or they'll have a version for the JT quickly.

 

[Troybilt]

I will be disabling my ESS ASAP. But I have read that the starter and other components have been beefed up to preform with the ESS. If this is true and I disable the ESS than those part should last the life of my truck.

 

[pittbug]

From this article, that focused on Buick, they talk about how the EPA is incentivizing ESS:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily/

"negative feedback on stop/start was extremely low as a portion of total comments received on the Envision’s features. Nevertheless, Buick’s engineers worked to address the concerns in the third category, in part by adding a deactivation button. People who dislike stop/start should get very familiar with that button, because in most new vehicles with stop/start, it is likely to be a “nonlatching” feature, meaning that every time the car’s ignition is turned off, stop/start will reset to active once the vehicle is turned back on. If you never want to drive with stop/start engaged, you’ll have to hit that button every time you fire up your car or truck.

Automakers get incentives to do it this way from the Environmental Protection Agency. If the vehicle’s stop/start system is nonlatching and automatically turns on whenever you start the car, the EPA’s fuel-economy test results will be calculated only when the system is engaged. But if a vehicle’s stop/start system can be permanently turned off, then the vehicle’s fuel economy is tested both when stop/start is active and when it’s off. The EPA then averages the two tests for a resulting fuel-economy rating found on the car’s window sticker—which is certain to be lower.

Since stop/start is estimated to boost fuel economy by 4 to 5 percent using the EPA test cycle, according to Buick, obviously it has a positive effect on the fuel-economy rating. Carmakers who have nonlatching stop/start systems also qualify for additional “off cycle” emissions credits from the EPA, and those can be applied to meet their overall targets for Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards."

 

[Ian cj10]

drove a suburu that had it hated it

 

[Joe333x]

The true test with this is going to be how many people it turns off from buying one. You put start stop in a hybrid you are catering to the demographic that buys hybrids but when you put start stop in a pick up truck most people dont buy a pick up for milage. start stop makes sense in hybrid vehicles since it has a second engine that can propel the vehicle while the gas engine is off, many hybrid city busses have this feature nowadays. I personally think start stop in a non hybrid is crazy not to mention start stop on a stick shift. I was very set on get the JT but this ESS really has me put off, especially if the price is going to be in the high 40s. Then i will seriously be considering other trucks. Is there any other pick up that has ESS right now? If Jeep sees that people dont buy because of ESS then you could see it as an add on option and not standard but if people buy it anyway then its here to stay.

 

[Malarkey21]

The true test with this is going to be how many people it turns off from buying one. You put start stop in a hybrid you are catering to the demographic that buys hybrids but when you put start stop in a pick up truck most people dont buy a pick up for milage. start stop makes sense in hybrid vehicles since it has a second engine that can propel the vehicle while the gas engine is off, many hybrid city busses have this feature nowadays. I personally think start stop in a non hybrid is crazy not to mention start stop on a stick shift. I was very set on get the JT but this ESS really has me put off, especially if the price is going to be in the high 40s. Then i will seriously be considering other trucks. Is there any other pick up that has ESS right now? If Jeep sees that people dont buy because of ESS then you could see it as an add on option and not standard but if people buy it anyway then its here to stay.

Every Ram 1500 has it, but the new hybrid version called the Belt Start Generator. Basically it drives current to the alternator to start the vehicle. Should be noted that a regular starter is used the first time and then the BSG takes over until you shut off the vehicle.

Every new GM pick up has stop start also and I'm willing to bet the next gen F150 will have it as well.

The only option regarding the ESS will be the one you have to press the deactivation button every time you get in. It will however automatically deactivate if you put the truck in 4 low.

I think you should test drive one before deciding this lone feature will keep you from getting this truck. There are plenty of pros and neat things about to this truck that will most likely distract you!

 

[Joe333x]

Every Ram 1500 has it, but the new hybrid version called the Belt Start Generator. Basically it drives current to the alternator to start the vehicle. Should be noted that a regular starter is used the first time and then the BSG takes over until you shut off the vehicle.

Every new GM pick up has stop start also and I'm willing to bet the next gen F150 will have it as well.

The only option regarding the ESS will be the one you have to press the deactivation button every time you get in. It will however automatically deactivate if you put the truck in 4 low.

I think you should test drive one before deciding this lone feature will keep you from getting this truck. There are plenty of pros and neat things about to this truck that will most likely distract you!

The big lure for me to the JT was that it came in stick. Very few trucks now come in stick and I have test drove every 4x4 one that does except the ram with a cummings due to being more than I need. The Tacoma is under powered and the Frontier is dated and slightly over priced. If my choice is between getting an auto or a stick with ESS then I might have to choose an auto Tundra. I wanted a Jeep stick shift for simplicity and ESS is everything but, at least the 5.7 Tundra is proven and simple. It is going to be a huge withdrawal to buy a vehicle that's not stick but a stick with ESS is just so ridiculous to me i dont know if I can over come it. I definitely will be waiting for pricing and to test drive but its definitely sad what the EPA has done to the auto industry. I am someone who owned an 06 Jetta TDI because i wanted to get great milage and it did just that, I rarely got under 45mpg. Now the EPA has even ruined diesels for us. I no longer need a vehicle that gets good milage and would love to have a jeep for what a jeep is supposed to be. No one buys a jeep because they are looking to get good milage and the miniscule amount that ESS adds its a huge turn off. Id rather a turbo added for milage than ESS, atleast it adds complications with added fun to drive. All ESS adds is annoyance.

 

[Malarkey21]

The big lure for me to the JT was that it came in stick. Very few trucks now come in stick and I have test drove every 4x4 one that does except the ram with a cummings due to being more than I need. The Tacoma is under powered and the Frontier is dated and slightly over priced. If my choice is between getting an auto or a stick with ESS then I might have to choose an auto Tundra. I wanted a Jeep stick shift for simplicity and ESS is everything but, at least the 5.7 Tundra is proven and simple. It is going to be a huge withdrawal to buy a vehicle that's not stick but a stick with ESS is just so ridiculous to me i dont know if I can over come it. I definitely will be waiting for pricing and to test drive but its definitely sad what the EPA has done to the auto industry. I am someone who owned an 06 Jetta TDI because i wanted to get great milage and it did just that, I rarely got under 45mpg. Now the EPA has even ruined diesels for us. I no longer need a vehicle that gets good milage and would love to have a jeep for what a jeep is supposed to be. No one buys a jeep because they are looking to get good milage and the miniscule amount that ESS adds its a huge turn off. Id rather a turbo added for milage than ESS, atleast it adds complications with added fun to drive. All ESS adds is annoyance.

Thats fair and I see your want for simplicity.

I had a diesel mini cooper that was a manual with stop start and I use to turn it off all the time. It would only turn off if you had the clutch out and were in neutral stopped. So coming up to lights that were going to change or rolling up to a corner to turn I would just keep the clutch in and it would be fine.

The thing that was most annoying was because it starts when you push in the clutch I would stall from letting the clutch out before the motor was completely lit. but just press the clutch and it started again.

I agree, no one buys a jeep to get good fuel economy. But jeep has to meet regulations and that requires them to put ESS on the wrangler to keep the EPA / California happy. Its a bummer.

 

[jeepinjon]

I had it on my 2016 Cherokee, and every time I got in I hit the button and turned it off.

My 2018 Traverse has it without a button to turn it off. In all fairness Chevrolet did it better than Jeep did (or it could have gotten better over the years). One thing I have gotten used to is it takes an extra 1/2 second to start when letting off the brake to hit the gas at a light, so there is a bit of a habit correction phase.

 

[Warbirds]

My wife’s Meecedes has stop/start and I will say it get confused when pulling into the garage.

Pull in, apply brakes and come to a stop (car shuts down. Put it in park, car starts back up.

 

[Gladiator4Runner]

I'd like to put ESS on Al Gore's jet to make it more efficient

 

[canyonrat]

Been browsing this site and jeep.com looking at Gladiators, sat in them a few times. Today finally, I had my first test drive, and found out the engine shuts off at every light. And it can't be permanently disabled in a supported manner. Major disappointment, FCA.

Very surprised to see a gas-only non-hybrid car having this ridiculous "feature" locked on. If you push the button to turn it off, it should stay off, not re-set itself to on. Jeep telling you that it knows better than you what you like. Another reason to keep my JK, at least for now. Maybe if they come out with a diesel Gladiator they won't have this abomination on diesel-optioned models.

Did just find this on the forum though, seems silly to have to pay for the add on but it would "make it go away":
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...is-now-available-for-2020-gladiator-jt.17340/

 

[homerun]

Been browsing this site and jeep.com looking at Gladiators, sat in them a few times. Today finally, I had my first test drive, and found out the engine shuts off at every light. And it can't be permanently disabled in a supported manner. Major disappointment, FCA.

Very surprised to see a gas-only non-hybrid car having this ridiculous "feature" locked on. If you push the button to turn it off, it should stay off, not re-set itself to on. Jeep telling you that it knows better than you what you like. Another reason to keep my JK, at least for now. Maybe if they come out with a diesel Gladiator they won't have this abomination on diesel-optioned models.

Did just find this on the forum though, seems silly to have to pay for the add on but it would "make it go away":
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...is-now-available-for-2020-gladiator-jt.17340/

Pop out the hood pin. There are 2 if you remove the one that is linked to ESS it won't work. You will have a small error light on the dash. Its the free option.

Better yet, give it a fair chance to adjust to the change (like use it for a week) you might find that its not as big of deal as you initially thought and it will help save gas and emissions.

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