FCA Reports Q3 2023 US Sales, Including Jeep Gladiator Sales

[Wolf Island Diver]

“dude you could have bought a C8 Corvette.”


Well said!

As cool as that thing is, an MX-5 presents a radically better money-to-fun ratio.

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[Rahkmalla]

I think my neighbor's Bronco interior is nicer than my Gladiator interior. Sasquatch package on the Bronco and High Altitude package on my Gladiator.

My girlfriend, who drives my Gladiator very often, said "let's get a Bronco!" after looking at the interior.

Even over on bronco6g.com (where i spent a lot of time before giving up on my perpetually delayed reservation) the prevailing sentiment if that the Jeep interior is higher quality.

I'm not saying you and your girlfriend are wrong, just that your opinions don't line up with the masses. The bronco has a better infotainment screen than the MY18-23 JLs and JTs, but other than that one factor, it looks rather plastic-y to me.

 

[Rahkmalla]

As cool as that thing is, an MX-5 presents a radically better money-to-fun ratio.

also available with a proper transmission

 

[ATL_Rubi]

This report just solidifies my plan of keeping the gladiator for the weekend and getting something small to drive for my commute thinking a m57 335i… time to start saving miles on the gladiator!

 

[Deleted member 57233]

This report just solidifies my plan of keeping the gladiator for the weekend and getting something small to drive for my commute thinking a m57 335i… time to start saving miles on the gladiator!

The GTI is still my all time favorite commuter. Super fun to drive, and the hatchback with the seats down can carry a surprising amount of stuff. Plus they are cheap enough to not care about beating the crap out of them.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

The sea of cheap plastic? The wobbly grab handles? The lack of mid vehicle speakers? The travesty that is the tops? I have the exact opposite impression, once I look past the big screen and attractive industrial design. The Jeep is maybe a bit boring but it’s tidy, functional and the materials are better. The whole Bronco seems like a meeting of very talented industrial designers and very untalented engineers, or more likely engineers that were constrained by a target margin.

I disagree the materials are better.

I have 40k on my Gladiator and 60k on an F150. The leather in the Jeep looks stretched out, the Ford leather looks perfect. I can take pics later if you'd like to see what I am referring to.

Even over on bronco6g.com (where i spent a lot of time before giving up on my perpetually delayed reservation) the prevailing sentiment if that the Jeep interior is higher quality.

I'm not saying you and your girlfriend are wrong, just that your opinions don't line up with the masses. The bronco has a better infotainment screen than the MY18-23 JLs and JTs, but other than that one factor, it looks rather plastic-y to me.

I'm browsing this forum now. Not really finding what you're saying. Do you have any links?

People in these threads seem to prefer the Bronco interior:

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/what-made-you-choose-bronco-over-jeep-wrangler.78288/
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/i-made-the-switch-jeep-to-bronco.69510/
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/100-000-jeep-wrangler-build-quality.78362/

The 28 page thread linked below and titled "I (you) wish the Bronco came with...?" has very few mentions of the interior. Lighting mentioned 4x, softer materials 2x, and scratch resistant interior panels mentioned a few times.

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/i-you-wish-the-bronco-came-with….77394/

 

[Frank...]

I have a 2022 Gladiator Rubicon & a 2023 Bronco Outer Banks, both have cloth interiors.
The Bronco has several advantages, the interior is not one of them. Digital RPM’s on the instrument cluster is abysmal, infotainment screen & stereo are much better on the Jeep. Manual transfer case & parking brake are much appreciated. Makes me feels like I’m not in some cookie cutter vehicle. Just my opinion. Bronco feels more generic inside.

 

[ATL_Rubi]

The GTI is still my all time favorite commuter. Super fun to drive, and the hatchback with the seats down can carry a surprising amount of stuff. Plus they are cheap enough to not care about beating the crap out of them.

I had a GLI before this, same theme but less space!

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

I have a 2022 Gladiator Rubicon & a 2023 Bronco Outer Banks, both have cloth interiors.
The Bronco has several advantages, the interior is not one of them. Digital RPM’s on the instrument cluster is abysmal, infotainment screen & stereo are much better on the Jeep. Manual transfer case & parking brake are much appreciated. Makes me feels like I’m not in some cookie cutter vehicle. Just my opinion. Bronco feels more generic inside.

What about seat comfort, window switches, and sun visors?

Not sure how Bronco seat comfort compares to the Gladiator. I haven't spent enough time in a Bronco, but I don't care much for the Gladiator seats. Guessing the Bronco wins the other 2 areas since they are problematic in the Gladiator.

 

[Rahkmalla]

I'm browsing this forum now. Not really finding what you're saying. Do you have any links?

I ordered my mojave in March of 22 and pretty much abandoned the forums at that point. Not anything I am going to have easy access to. It was the 6g community that made me even take a second look at the gladiator.

 

[Frank...]

I have no issues with the Gladiatorr seats. Drove to Colorado & back last summer, neither my girl or I had any issues. Those three categories are a draw for me.

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

I disagree the materials are better.

I have 40k on my Gladiator and 60k on an F150. The leather in the Jeep looks stretched out, the Ford leather looks perfect. I can take pics later if you'd like to see what I am referring to.


I'm browsing this forum now. Not really finding what you're saying. Do you have any links?

People in these threads seem to prefer the Bronco interior:

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/what-made-you-choose-bronco-over-jeep-wrangler.78288/
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/i-made-the-switch-jeep-to-bronco.69510/
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/100-000-jeep-wrangler-build-quality.78362/

The 28 page thread linked below and titled "I (you) wish the Bronco came with...?" has very few mentions of the interior. Lighting mentioned 4x, softer materials 2x, and scratch resistant interior panels mentioned a few times.

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/i-you-wish-the-bronco-came-with….77394/

I’ve found the leather in my Fords to be pretty decent quality, initially. In Jeeps they tend to get looser more quickly. But honestly Mazda is the only brand I’ve had where leather didn’t eventually turn to shit. The BMW X5 cracked and fell apart, but so did the rest of the pos. My Ford seats eventually wore and collapsed partially. The Infiniti developed fine lines. I don’t really expect the leather to last in any car. So far my Gladiator is about on par with the Fords I’ve owned. I don’t find the bottom of the seat to be very comfortable on the Jeep.

But I was talking about the dash, door and console plastics in the Ford being more cheap feeling than the Jeep not the leather. Also, I was talking about the Bronco not the F-150. Ford spent over a billion on the new Mustang. There’s a documentary on their obsessive attention to detail on that redesign. I’m not saying Ford makes bad vehicles. F-150 owners are loyal and they keep refining that truck. The F-150 and Mustang are like the 911 and the Wrangler. There’s this built in expectation and there’s this long standing iterative design and engineering work. There’s an established demanding customer base. It constrains what goofy things Ford or Porsche or Jeep can do. The Bronco isn’t the same thing. It was 2 parts novel design, which always brings about issues. That’s not an indictment of Ford. New designs have problems. But it was also 1 part digging into the parts bin and slapping something together. Ford’s been doing that since the 1940s. Ford has always had this tendency to substitute parts on vehicles or build out new designs as parts bin builds. The original Mustang was an example. The Taurus was a notable exception. Having owned and worked on Fords my whole life, there’s evidence of this approach all over the Bronco. Some Bronco owners have found that their wheels don’t match. They didn’t take the time to properly package the engine for the platform, hence the alternator location. There’s just a myriad of problem that speak to this slapdash rollout that would never have happened on the F-150. It’s just a reality of almost every auto maker. They have their some popular vehicles that get a lot of care and attention. Then they will make something new that seems like it was slapped together as an afterthought. Maybe the Broncos popularity will incentivize Ford to refine it on the next iteration. It’s the problem of buying a new vehicle. You’re buying an experiment and makers want to spend the least amount they can on something that might not take off. The saving grace of the Gladiator is that half of the vehicle is basically a JL Wrangler.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

I’ve found the leather in my Fords to be pretty decent quality, initially. In Jeeps they tend to get looser more quickly. But honestly Mazda is the only brand I’ve had where leather didn’t eventually turn to shit. The BMW X5 cracked and fell apart, but so did the rest of the pos. My Ford seats eventually wore and collapsed partially. The Infiniti developed fine lines. I don’t really expect the leather to last in any car. So far my Gladiator is about on par with the Fords I’ve owned. I don’t find the bottom of the seat to be very comfortable on the Jeep.

But I was talking about the dash, door and console plastics in the Ford being more cheap feeling than the Jeep not the leather. Also, I was talking about the Bronco not the F-150. Ford spent over a billion on the new Mustang. There’s a documentary on their obsessive attention to detail on that redesign. I’m not saying Ford makes bad vehicles. F-150 owners are loyal and they keep refining that truck. The F-150 and Mustang are like the 911 and the Wrangler. There’s this built in expectation and there’s this long standing iterative design and engineering work. There’s an established demanding customer base. It constrains what goofy things Ford or Porsche or Jeep can do. The Bronco isn’t the same thing. It was 2 parts novel design, which always brings about issues. That’s not an indictment of Ford. New designs have problems. But it was also 1 part digging into the parts bin and slapping something together. Ford’s been doing that since the 1940s. Ford has always had this tendency to substitute parts on vehicles or build out new designs as parts bin builds. The original Mustang was an example. The Taurus was a notable exception. Having owned and worked on Fords my whole life, there’s evidence of this approach all over the Bronco. Some Bronco owners have found that their wheels don’t match. They didn’t take the time to properly package the engine for the platform, hence the alternator location. There’s just a myriad of problem that speak to this slapdash rollout that would never have happened on the F-150. It’s just a reality of almost every auto maker. They have their some popular vehicles that get a lot of care and attention. Then they will make something new that seems like it was slapped together as an afterthought. Maybe the Broncos popularity will incentivize Ford to refine it on the next iteration. It’s the problem of buying a new vehicle. You’re buying an experiment and makers want to spend the least amount they can on something that might not take off. The saving grace of the Gladiator is that half of the vehicle is basically a JL Wrangler.

You have good points.

I brought up the F150 because of my familiarity with it and unfamiliarity with the Bronco. I assumed the F150 and Bronco use similar quality leather, but that may not be true.

I'm going to have to convince the neighbor to let me borrow her Bronco so I can do a full evaluation of the interior. ?

 

[Flyin6]

X2
And I can afford one!
Order it tomorrow!
Now who wants my AEV JT???

 

[DirkG]

We can speculate why Jeep started charging 20% more MSRP over a three year period, but it appears they are trying to glean as much cash as possible to support the EV transition. I'm not saying this is a good move nor has it worked (ask the old CEO), but with charging a lot more for offering very little, they clearly are trying to generate revenue.

Unfortunately we know CA's CARB often paves the way for the other states to follow. In conjunction with Governor Newsom’s EO N-79-20, the CARB approved the Advanced Clean Cars II rule. The rule establishes a year-by-year roadmap (below) so that by 2035 100% of new vehicles sold in CA will be zero-emission vehicles, including plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. Source.

Jeep has already laid out its EV strategy. These vehicles are coming. More than likely, several of those names on the 2023 sales chart will be different by 2035. I'm really hoping a 4xe Gladiator is coming because if not, it's a goner.

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