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this would be the only scenario where I'd consider an upgrade, otherwise I'll keep what I have for the long term
Personally I would only be temped by the generator-electric system introduced in the Ramcharger 1500. I'm not a fan of the current ICE>electric motor>drivetrain hybrid systems like the 4xe. Way more complicated than they need to be compared to an ICE>generator>drive motor system.
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...and making the resale values of our Jeeps more dismal than they already are.
I've bought a number of new vehicles over the past 25 years, and with the exception of work trucks, I keep them for at least 8 years.

Cycling through new vehicles frequently is a money-losing proposition.

The Wrangler and Gladiator are overpriced for what they are to begin with, so dropping the MSRP is logical.
 

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Right! It might not hurt you too much if you only keep your new 4XE for 3-4 years and then trade it in for a new one before the batteries become an issue, but man... that upcoming ~$13-15k new battery expense is REALLY gonna put a damper on the sale or trade-in value of your 10-12 year old Jeep.

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I’m not here to change your opinion as obviously you only see benefits of the new powertrain offered and probably buy vehicles every 2-4 years. The ‘24 gladiators, to me, don’t offer a substantial step forward or value according to the configurator. The average age of vehicles on the road today is 12.2 years. We are now producing vehicles where a significant part of the power plant is not predicted to last the average age listed above. Because it is too costly to upkeep most repairs cannot/will not be made. In essence we are now purchasing substantially degrading vehicles and, at worse, throw away vehicles. EVs are even worse. Depreciation has nothing to do with it, performance and reliability does and only time will show that as well as how FCA handles powertrain warranty claims.
 

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I spent a week with a 2023 4xe and wasn't impressed at all. I honestly got the same mpg as my Gladiator and driving to take it back, the 4xe lost 1 mpg when active charging. Granted it was Colorado but why? It was like an answer to a question that wasn't needed. I could see it as a run around town car in a better climate where the battery wasn't constantly trying to charge and never really helping displace fuel usage. It would have to priced significantly LOWER than a non hybrid for me to even consider it. Well, that's just my thoughts today. They can't get worse, can they?
 

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I'm very disappointed by the resale value of my Gladiator. Jeep Wranglers and Gladiators had amongst the best resale at the time I bought mine, and that was one factor in my purchase. Now, my Gladiator is amongst the worst thanks to Jeep taking 15% off new ones, and more in some cases.

Not everyone wants to trade for a new one. I see nothing compelling in a new one - I like the integration of the 8.4" screen and matching HVAC vents of the 2020 better than the "tacked on" larger new screen with mismatched vents. The new grille is fine, but not necessarily better. Don't care about power seats (I'm 6'5" and the seat will be all the way back at all times) or side air bags. I have ACC in my other vehicle and turn it off back to regular cruise as you tend to end up going slower without noticing.

Unlike most people, I have no problem with the Pentastar and don't care about a hybrid Gladiator.
 

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Oh man, I love your optimism on stellantis warranties. Soon we will be reading on this platform about Jeep not honoring the 4xe battery warranty because it’s lifted or has bigger tires or because it towed too much and that ultimately led to a shorter battery life (battery produced by Samsung so they are the ones that will ultimately decide). I’d love to read the fine print about what is not covered on these Jeep PHEV platforms. Here is one story of a dealer messing up https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/2021-rubicon-4xe-hybrid-battery-failure.102528/
There will always be horror stories of any/all units , but as mentioned above, it’s how Stellantis handles it that will make or break that complex platform. FCA will honor the warranty but it will have to be in their best interest, after all it’s about company survival and stockholders. Lastly, who in their right mind will want to buy a used 4xe where the battery can’t hold its full potential? But hey, estimated for battery pack replacement is only $12k + labor.
Actually they are covering things some might not expect. If it's related to that battery system at all, it's covered.

There are exceptions - at the dealer level, but most of us have found that things are covered fine.
Why would towing lead to a shorter battery life?
17 gallon tank is no bueno. Don't know what they were thinking.
Space. And I suppose they figure that it's similar in range to a typical JT, for example.
There's not a lot of room for the fuel tank and it has to be strong and sealed.
 

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You have better odds on winning the Powerball than getting a Hurricane engine in a Gladiator from the factory. Maybe if the Gladiator survives into the next redesign with the Wrangler in 2028.
would the Hurricane even fit? It's a huge motor.
 

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I spent a week with a 2023 4xe and wasn't impressed at all. I honestly got the same mpg as my Gladiator and driving to take it back, the 4xe lost 1 mpg when active charging. Granted it was Colorado but why? It was like an answer to a question that wasn't needed. I could see it as a run around town car in a better climate where the battery wasn't constantly trying to charge and never really helping displace fuel usage. It would have to priced significantly LOWER than a non hybrid for me to even consider it. Well, that's just my thoughts today. They can't get worse, can they?
And I've spent over a year with one..... including very long drives from central Iowa to Sarasota, to St. Augustine back to Iowa, driving almost non-stop.
I have a great feel for how they REALLY work, really can work, and the whole purpose of these things by now.
A week is nothing, a week in one.
You are also totally missing the whole point of the 4xe. It's not necessarily for better mpg on long travels, it's for HP and torque. It's the equal, or actually better, HP and torque than a diesel or V8 and the first 25 miles can be dirt cheap - all electric.
It's not for people driving long long trips, it's for more typical drives, shorter drives, commutes and so on. The power and torque are what you go after. And in that sense, it gets just as good mileage as any V8 would get but has much better torque response right off the line.
People just aren't getting it.
My wife has been getting mid-20s with hers around here and when she's on all electric, she's driving 25 miles for only $1.79 in the summer. Show me a Jeep where you can drive 25 miles for less than 2 bucks.
You also need to watch a couple of videos of these taking some crazy steep inclines where some others might run out of oil pressure due to the angle. These walk over things with ease and will handle things a 3.6 Wrangler just can't do.
 

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I'm very disappointed by the resale value of my Gladiator. Jeep Wranglers and Gladiators had amongst the best resale at the time I bought mine, and that was one factor in my purchase. Now, my Gladiator is amongst the worst thanks to Jeep taking 15% off new ones, and more in some cases.
I just posted about this - as my sales guy said - we're still in a recovery or rebalancing from the covid years where values were STUPID high, way too high. Now because new ones are all over the place - on the lots or a short order time away, people are ignoring used Gladiators instead jumping on new. There's hardly any 23s around here and the 24s are selling well. The used ones are being ignored in favor of new.
We're still in the after-effect of the covid years.
Scott and I have had some good talks on this.
 

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I'm very disappointed by the resale value of my Gladiator. Jeep Wranglers and Gladiators had amongst the best resale at the time I bought mine, and that was one factor in my purchase. Now, my Gladiator is amongst the worst thanks to Jeep taking 15% off new ones, and more in some cases.

Not everyone wants to trade for a new one. I see nothing compelling in a new one - I like the integration of the 8.4" screen and matching HVAC vents of the 2020 better than the "tacked on" larger new screen with mismatched vents. The new grille is fine, but not necessarily better. Don't care about power seats (I'm 6'5" and the seat will be all the way back at all times) or side air bags. I have ACC in my other vehicle and turn it off back to regular cruise as you tend to end up going slower without noticing.

Unlike most people, I have no problem with the Pentastar and don't care about a hybrid Gladiator.
It doesn't sound like you need to worry about resale value any time soon then. You're not alone, anyone who purchased a vehicle since 2020 is facing the same reality. I think by the time you are ready to sell prices will have normalized and Wranglers and Gladiators will stay on top of most for resale value.
 

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It doesn't sound like you need to worry about resale value any time soon then. You're not alone, anyone who purchased a vehicle since 2020 is facing the same reality. I think by the time you are ready to sell prices will have normalized and Wranglers and Gladiators will stay on top of most for resale value.
I don't share your optimism. The reason the values plummeted is because of the price cut on new ones and 15%+ off to try to get people to buy one. Its worth noting the used value of the Wrangler is proportionally better than the Gladiator. People can talk Covid, supply chain, crazy high used prices for a period...but all vehicles experienced that. The Gladiator resale values have fallen more than most.
 

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No, I have not deep dived the details of the 2024 models and changes other than passively reading what pretty much everybody else has seen in the automotive press and media releases from Jeep.
Well, if my cursory check of the two - X and non-X JTRs is correct, if you don't want leather seats, then don't get the X, which works out to be about 2 grand more anyway. It's all funny prices anyway, since most don't pay the list price anyway.
 

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I’m not here to change your opinion as obviously you only see benefits of the new powertrain offered and probably buy vehicles every 2-4 years. The ‘24 gladiators, to me, don’t offer a substantial step forward or value according to the configurator. The average age of vehicles on the road today is 12.2 years. We are now producing vehicles where a significant part of the power plant is not predicted to last the average age listed above. Because it is too costly to upkeep most repairs cannot/will not be made. In essence we are now purchasing substantially degrading vehicles and, at worse, throw away vehicles. EVs are even worse. Depreciation has nothing to do with it, performance and reliability does and only time will show that as well as how FCA handles powertrain warranty claims.
No, you misunderstood me. I totally agree with you. I was trying to say that ONLY those who trade in for a new vehicle every 3-4 yrs will possibly see a use for an EV or PHEV. Most of us keep our vehicles much longer, which means that their value will be nearing that of mere scrap metal instead of still retaining a useful resale value.

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I just bought a new 23 Gladiator far out edition rubicon and between the 15% and the dealers discount of 8% I bought a 78k sticker gladiator for 60k out the door including taxes, dealer fees ect and got 2k over kbb for a 20 gladiator overland trade,this was last week. Hard not to do this upgrade to a loaded rubi diesel.
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I don't share your optimism. The reason the values plummeted is because of the price cut on new ones and 15%+ off to try to get people to buy one. Its worth noting the used value of the Wrangler is proportionally better than the Gladiator. People can talk Covid, supply chain, crazy high used prices for a period...but all vehicles experienced that. The Gladiator resale values have fallen more than most.
There is no free lunch. I bought my 2020 Rubicon in early 2019 and when the covid market hit, I traded it off for more than I paid for it with 30K miles into my 2021 Willys for no out of pocket. Basically did the same again into my current 2022 Rubicon with maybe $1K out of pocket. Now it's a bloodbath for trade in. Do not like it, but understand my last two deals would have never happened in a normal market. Just a rubber band affect and what we get with both govt. meddling and giving free money and Corporations padding some "greedflation" to create the mess we are in now.
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