Jeep brand turnaround plan announced by Stellantis CEO

[LostWoods]

I'm going to disagree with you about how many "want" the 4xe

I'll use myself as an example

Last year I was ready to trade-in/sell my 2013 JKU (had a 2007 JKU before that) and when I went looking for a new JLU, he ONLY Wranglers I could find (in my area) were 4xe's

So, I had a choice, buy a 4xe or not

I picked NOT

This is what lead me to my JT

So, I question how many actually WANTED a 4xe vs. how many purchased a 4xe due to nothing else available

This is a forum for Jeep enthusiasts though and we are not normal. The average consumer sees a pretty car and the performance of electric and they're sold. If you removed the barriers that are quickly falling, the average person would choose electric without a second thought.

I don't know where you are in PA but in cities and suburbs, I see electric vehicles everywhere. Rural adoption will always be slower but the reality is that the majority of people in the US are near big cities so people further out will have a skewed perspectives on adoption.

Even a fast turnover design is a decade-plus affair from concept to end of manufacture. Manufacturers are focusing on electric now not because it's the current thing, but because the momentum of the current exponential growth is only going to increase in the next 5+ years when a new design now is still current.

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[BlackRuby23]

The average consumer sees a pretty car and the performance of electric and they're sold. If you removed the barriers that are quickly falling, the average person would choose electric without a second thought.

False. EVs are only 6% of all new car sales, and heavily skewed towards CA (24%). I don't even know a single person who has purchased an all-electric vehicle.

 

[Dickster]

Out of curiosity, is it a Cummins diesel? If so, what is the symptom/issue?

Yes diesel Frequent regen and diesel dilution in oil. It's been quite the ordeal lots of parts replaced and still nothing.

 

[Dickster]

Out of curiosity, is it a Cummins diesel? If so, what is the symptom/issue?

If your interested....

https://hdrams.com/forum/index.php?threads/too-much-oil-and-poor-dealer-help.16121/

 

[BlackRuby23]

If your interested....

https://hdrams.com/forum/index.php?threads/too-much-oil-and-poor-dealer-help.16121/

Damn.....

 

[Dickster]

Damn.....

$70k+ in warranty repairs, $10k+ rentals, and I am still $3k out of pocket. They still won't buy the truck back lmao.

 

[LostWoods]

False. EVs are only 6% of all new car sales, and heavily skewed towards CA (24%). I don't even know a single person who has purchased an all-electric vehicle.

Cool. There's one in every third driveway in my neighborhood in a very conservative suburb of Phoenix. California will always be first to adopt eco much like they were the first buyers of hybrids. Manufacturers don't care where most sales are coming from - if they're going to sell, they're going to make them and EV/PHEV sales have seen over 50% YoY growth every year since 2020.

What you quoted wasn't a statement of universal truth, it was a statement that the average person wants an EV but the current barriers and lack of economical EVs are pushing their hand. As those issues continue to resolve, more and more will sell and they're not going to care that they're not powered by dino juice.

 

[BlackRuby23]

What you quoted wasn't a statement of universal truth, it was a statement that the average person wants an EV but the current barriers and lack of economical EVs are pushing their hand. As those issues continue to resolve, more and more will sell and they're not going to care that they're not powered by dino juice.

So you're passing your opinion as fact?

 

[LostWoods]

So you're passing your opinion as fact?

And your I don't know anyone who bought one anecdote is empirical? Go read literally anything on the subject and you'll see the market is shifting. The interest is already there and growing, but there are problems to be overcome for wide adoption. The more time goes on and the more barriers fall for the average person, the more they will sell.

People who want to live in the world of V8s and light diesels need to realize the government took that world from you and it's not coming back. You can bitch and moan all you want about EVs but they're the future.

 

[PBCounty]

I guess it depends where you’re at, and what you’re going to use the vehicle for. I’ve considered waiting on a hybrid pick up. While still having somewhat of the same capabilities of the JL. Before that, I was heavily interested in the 3 L diesel, I just have concerns about the engine design and how long it would last.

You were concerned about the longevity of the diesel but not the hybrid? Dude..

 

[69charged]

PRICE. That’s it.
I bought a 21 f150 and I paid 58,000 out the door. Very capable truck with a longer box, 5.0 engine, all the entertainment things you could handle. And all the safety amenities one could ever have.
I sold it at the right time with 70,000kms on it for 56,000.
I turned around and bought my diesel rubicon, and was blown away that they were 80,000!!!! Thankfully my wife’s company compensates me for it.
A very capable truck, compared to one that off roads better.

 

[Iam_Gladiator]

You were concerned about the longevity of the diesel but not the hybrid? Dude..

Yup, I have my concerns…
https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=191

 

[Iam_Gladiator]

Out of curiosity, is it a Cummins diesel? If so, what is the symptom/issue?

Newer diesels are much more complicated in design as a result of emission regulations.

 

[wildtaco]

The new grille, in my opinion,
has contributed in part
to the decline in Gladiator and Wrangler sales.

The iconic Jeep grille bars
have been obfuscated.
The headlights are transitioning
into the grille opening
further contributing to grille dysphoria.

Stelantis cut off their face despite their nose.

If you miss the grille bars on your '24
The 2024 grille is interchangeable
with previous JL grilles.

That's pretty funny considering that was the design for the first 40 something years. IMO, I think the new grille design does a great job modernizing the front end of the current gen Jeeps.

 

[Wageslave]

Every product goes through a cycle.
Hula-Hoops are a classic example,
a fad that burned bright and flamed out quickly.

Harley-Davidson is another.
When there was a one year waiting list
they were doing great.
Then they invested in greater production
just as their target market aged out.

Jeep may be having the same problem.
The exclusivity and uniqueness of a Jeep is no more.
They have become a fad. Everybody has one.
Rugged individualism has been supplanted by ducks.

Ugh, Harley Davidson's problems are way more endemic than a badly timed capital investment.

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