Diesel Tuners Indicted for smuggling...

[Faroutgladiator]

I find it really funny that we’re so worried about the “pollution” from our oil burners but nothing is said about cardboard and plastic containers that stupid DEF crap comes in!

Believe it or not… They have come up with a catalyst that is added to plastic (plastic Bottles and other plastic waste) that turns it into propane

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[ZeeJay]

Common rail by itself is very clean, far cleaner than inline mechanical or HEUI systems. A common rail engine left alone with normal calibration and ALL the AFM and EGR removed is still very clean, again with normal calibration. Higher pressure means better saturation which equals cleaner burn, if this is coupled to multiple injection events it’s even better. It will get a substantially better fuel burn in the process by less back pressure to fight through the AFM components and less fuel used to keep DOC temperatures up for the DPF and SCR to work properly, always keep in mind it takes more fuel to make clean exhaust. This isn’t including what emissions does to the engine internally, that’s whole other discussion. The issue is it’s garnered much unneeded attention because some dude isn’t happy with the 350HP stock ISB 6.7 makes and it obviously needs 700. Enter deletes, larger injectors, turbos etc and course this adds up to “rolling coal”. I’ve said it before here, after treatment is garbage, expensive and failure prone garbage. Plus DEF expelled in exh stream is ridiculously harmful to plants, trees and just about any vegetation, so saving the ecosystem argument is just silly. I’m all for deleting it, done correctly you’d hardly even know it had been deleted.

 

[rharr]

Common rail by itself is very clean, far cleaner than inline mechanical or HEUI systems. A common rail engine left alone with normal calibration and ALL the AFM and EGR removed is still very clean, again with normal calibration. Higher pressure means better saturation which equals cleaner burn, if this is coupled to multiple injection events it’s even better. It will get a substantially better fuel burn in the process by less back pressure to fight through the AFM components and less fuel used to keep DOC temperatures up for the DPF and SCR to work properly, always keep in mind it takes more fuel to make clean exhaust. This isn’t including what emissions does to the engine internally, that’s whole other discussion. The issue is it’s garnered much unneeded attention because some dude isn’t happy with the 350HP stock ISB 6.7 makes and it obviously needs 700. Enter deletes, larger injectors, turbos etc and course this adds up to “rolling coal”. I’ve said it before here, after treatment is garbage, expensive and failure prone garbage. Plus DEF expelled in exh stream is ridiculously harmful to plants, trees and just about any vegetation, so saving the ecosystem argument is just silly. I’m all for deleting it, done correctly you’d hardly even know it had been deleted.

If the feds push the issue to hard the market will just shift over seas aka China and Mexico who just ship customers diy delete and tune kits off website the feds have no ability to control with ppl using crypto to pay for it. Look at all the counterfeit things you can buy from foreign auction sites. Not much different than ghost guns and base chemicals used to make drugs.

The only thing preventing this right now is the ppl in these countries haven't figured out the market demand, it's use based tuners developing items then having those manufacturered over sea. Take out the middle man controlling things and pull back the curtain with simple USB tool that deactivates certain systems and it will be a free for all.

 

[biodiesel]

If the feds push the issue to hard the market will just shift over seas aka China and Mexico who just ship customers diy delete and tune kits off website the feds have no ability to control with ppl using crypto to pay for it.

It's already happening. The #1 bestselling tune for the EcoDiesel is EOC (EcoDiesel Owners Canada).

 

[rharr]

It's already happening. The #1 bestselling tune for the EcoDiesel is EOC (EcoDiesel Owners Canada).

Yes eoc is a reseller of another tuner. These current batch of tuners have some level of ethics and generally don't out right steal each other's work, plus they lock and encrypt their work using a common vendors software packages to control the whole process.

When these guys get shut down and can't make it a business then it will drive a dyi market. Currently it's easier to hand someone dollars and in return get turnkey solution then figure things out.

In Europe they have a very robust tuner market with all sorts of ways to adjust cars due to euro controls that is being supported by Chinese knock off devices letting ppl do their own tunes.

 

[WILDHOBO]

The last part isn’t even close to true man. Gas engine will set ST/LT trims which helps and uses only a series of cats to clean up the rest, diesel on the other hand will control injection events by how much and when along with EGR to lower internal temps which controls NOx, afterwards trapping soot for ash conversion in DPF and running parallel to that are intake and outlet NOx sensors to define reagent injection in order to control NOx all the while getting twice the mileage.

aside from that…..dear god I can’t stand coal rollers, but it has nothing to do with polar bears

Fine. But I bet a gas gladiator with 37’s is less polluting than a deleted diesel gladiator by a decent margin

 

[Camaroboi13]

Most people forget that a deleted tuned diesel that’s running properly will not produce smoke. Rolling coal is a saturated market of tards who want to look cool, and the engine runs worse that way than it did with all the stock emissions. Diesels can easily be tuned to run just as clean as gas engines despite what most are being told.

 

[ZeeJay]

Fine. But I bet a gas gladiator with 37’s is less polluting than a deleted diesel gladiator by a decent margin

Yes and no. Beings that most diesels or certainly this particular diesel can squeeze 5 to even 10 more than my gas ever would do that would be a hard no. Deleted that fuel burn would drastically decrease due to no need for thermal management of the DOC or passive regens. At this point it’s a gallons per hour game and the diesel wins. The no comes in at no matter what a diesel will at some point develop particulates, something gas engine won’t do generally. There are conditions where diesel’s run perfectly clean and won’t develop particulates. Engine @ operating temperature with at least 50% load factor won’t. Outside of that they certainly can. In that case it’s a loss.

 

[ZeeJay]

Most people forget that a deleted tuned diesel that’s running properly will not produce smoke. Rolling coal is a saturated market of tards who want to look cool, and the engine runs worse that way than it did with all the stock emissions. Diesels can easily be tuned to run just as clean as gas engines despite what most are being told.

The same tards that think whoever gets the highest EGT is a winner, the same ones that have 2 year old truck that smells like grandpas 12 valve at idle……aren’t they great…..

 

[WILDHOBO]

Most people forget that a deleted tuned diesel that’s running properly will not produce smoke. Rolling coal is a saturated market of tards who want to look cool, and the engine runs worse that way than it did with all the stock emissions. Diesels can easily be tuned to run just as clean as gas engines despite what most are being told.

Now that’s great information. I did not know that. I definitely made the black smoke rolling coal connection. Thanks.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Yes and no. Beings that most diesels or certainly this particular diesel can squeeze 5 to even 10 more than my gas ever would do that would be a hard no. Deleted that fuel burn would drastically increase due to no need for thermal management of the DOC or passive regens. At this point it’s a gallons per hour game and the diesel wins. The no comes in at no matter what a diesel will at some point develop particulates, something gas engine won’t do generally. There are conditions where diesel’s run perfectly clean and won’t develop particulates. Engine @ operating temperature with at least 50% load factor won’t. Outside of that they certainly can. In that case it’s a loss.

I was speaking of pollution, not mpg. I think diesel is worse for pollution in a very high percentage of apples to apples cases.

 

[NotInStock]

Believe it or not… They have come up with a catalyst that is added to plastic (plastic Bottles and other plastic waste) that turns it into propane

I believe I watch a YouTube video the other day of someone converting the plastic in basically crude then refining it to gas ..

I am sure there are ways to get this all "recycled" but does the recycling process create more emissions??

And to comment on the weekend jeeper with EV. I really do not think you realize how polluting your EV was to make and do you believe all that electricity you pump in comes from nothing. Since most electricity in the US is from traditional generation (gas/coal) plants you are still creating emissions your not seeing. And I am in California, pretty much everywhere I can buy diesel is either renewable or straight bio-blend which produces less emissions than fossil diesel.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I believe I watch a YouTube video the other day of someone converting the plastic in basically crude then refining it to gas ..

I am sure there are ways to get this all "recycled" but does the recycling process create more emissions??

And to comment on the weekend jeeper with EV. I really do not think you realize how polluting your EV was to make and do you believe all that electricity you pump in comes from nothing. Since most electricity in the US is from traditional generation (gas/coal) plants you are still creating emissions your not seeing. And I am in California, pretty much everywhere I can buy diesel is either renewable or straight bio-blend which produces less emissions than fossil diesel.

“Weekend jeeper with EV”? That’s how you’d describe me? Number one, I’m very aware of the how bad lithium and cobalt mining is. And I’m very well informed and intelligent. Improvements are being made to mining practices, and even better, alternative battery technology that doesn’t use lithium is being developed. If you have such a moral problem with lithium ion batteries, please get rid of your phones and power tools. My point is that we all use them. I’m well aware that electricity doesn’t come from nowhere. But lots of it, and more every day/year comes from wind, solar, hydroelectric, and soon wave power. For many years our EVs were charged by our own rooftop solar. And in our next house, they will be again. And I drove my jeep as my daily for 60k miles. Let me know how much of your daily gas car comes from renewable, zero emissions energy? Oh that’s right. Zero percent. So using an EV for a high percentage of driving DOES offset carbon emissions and particulates. Every single day. Is it perfect? Nope. But nothing is.

 

[1945gpw]

“Weekend jeeper with EV”? That’s how you’d describe me? Number one, I’m very aware of the how bad lithium and cobalt mining is. And I’m very well informed and intelligent. Improvements are being made to mining practices, and even better, alternative battery technology that doesn’t use lithium is being developed. If you have such a moral problem with lithium ion batteries, please get rid of your phones and power tools. My point is that we all use them. I’m well aware that electricity doesn’t come from nowhere. But lots of it, and more every day/year comes from wind, solar, hydroelectric, and soon wave power. For many years our EVs were charged by our own rooftop solar. And in our next house, they will be again. And I drove my jeep as my daily for 60k miles. Let me know how much of your daily gas car comes from renewable, zero emissions energy? Oh that’s right. Zero percent. So using an EV for a high percentage of driving DOES offset carbon emissions and particulates. Every single day. Is it perfect? Nope. But nothing is.

I'm all about developing common cense clean energy, I think wave technology is very interesting and will be a good alternative. I also think that a hybrid diesel for the larger 18 wheelers is a good thing to pursue like a few companies are doing in Canada. That will significantly reduce pollution but they will still have the reliability and range needed for transporting goods across the country.

However I don't believe destroying the diesel industry is the right answer like they are trying to do just because of a few bad actors that make headlines. I think you'll find most diesel owners are people who are trying to get the best efficiency, reliability and longevity out of there vehicles, Not tuning just to roll coal in everyone's face.

 

[Ericshere03]

I think you guys need to define “emissions”… the fact that diesel makes soot tells me that the carbon is coming out solid and will just go into the soil. I’d imagine CO2 is much less because the C in CO2 is in another form. Then we need to ask is CO2 even bad??? At 350ppm it makes up about .004% of our air, whereas oxygen in 21%. I’m not sure that making plant food is really all that bad, the earth today is much greener than just a few decades ago.

Another thing to consider is, in the desert we are importing mass amounts of water. a gallon of gas emits a gallon (ish) of water in the form a vapor. In the desert this may be a blessing, in fact in the county I live we sell about 8 million gallon of retail (not commercial) gasoline PER DAY… so we are importing 8 million gallons of water per day, most goes into the atmosphere, which leads to the next point. The worst greenhouse gas is in fact water vapor, far farrrr worse than CO2.

We need real unbiased science … remember carbon monoxide, the real poison gas? Well, we fixed that, now it looks like we are trying to make a new enemy and I am not sure CO2 is it… I’d like to see real data over the course of a years operation of various vehicles to quantify what “pollutants” are generated. We focus on soot, CO2, NOX, etc what else is there.

also, they always pick on the middle class tax payer to do all the work, put DEF/DOF/SCR/EGR on a few cruise ships and tankers and I guarantee you will do FAR more emissions improvements than ALL the little vehicles we use.

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