If you were in Jeep Management, what changes would you make to the Gladiator?

[BourbonRunner]

How about an option for bigger, folding tow mirrors.

What, just so Jerry Wayne Longmire can make fun of them like he does Rams?

Mojave Orange Paint code.

But what would Mojave owners do if their tow hooks don't contrast the body color???

There's no real argument.

Some people believe the longtime shadetree myth that inline engines make more torque than Vs. It's one of those things that just gets repeated and passed down without any actual thought or experience applied. They use groupthink and personal anecdotes as proof.

And those people are simply wrong.

Like @Sweetums said (paraphrase) at what spec?

There is one thing inlines have over Vs- they run smoother than a V because of physics. No opposite inertia to counteract.

I was in Jeep management, and I can only reiterate so many times, they don't care about any pie in the sky BS.

Half the content on this forum lately is pipe dreams about Jeeps nobody will ever buy. You knock that off right now, sir! Quit being a wet blanket else the mods won't have anything to do!

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[DirkG]

People have a hard time removing their emotions from their statements I think.

And that's just specific to this, in every group, it's some dude going, what should I do, and five more people going, man I wish I was closer, I'd slap a Hellcat in that!

The reality is, the data is there, less than 10% of Wrangler orders are 2 doors. They're not selling the Wranglers with Hemis in them now. The diesel didn't sell well either. The focus groups think the Gladiator is slow, loud, poor on mileage, and hard to get in and out of.

You'd need to cast a net of 1000 people going, "I'd totally boy I tell you whut", to actually catch even 1 who would show up at a dealer for it.

J.R., I appreciate your insight. I'm a senior manager in aerospace which I'm assuming is very different from the higher volume auto industry.

Given your history and knowledge base with the Jeep brand and operations, "what changes would you make to the Gladiator?"

 

[Sweetums]

Factory trailer brake controller

https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-trailer-brake-controller-82215652ad

You can order it as a dealer-installed accessory, just like running boards, the MOPAR branded Warn winch, and other goodies.

 

[Readyt]

WHat they said,.... Plus how about windows that also auto roll up?

 

[johnchabin]

If they ever did a 392 Gladiator, it would be over 100K. I'd love to have it but would never buy it.

 

[BearFootSam]

"I-6 makes more torque!"

What displacement? What timing? What bore? What stroke? Overhead cams or pushrods? Aluminum block or cast iron? Ported heads? What cam profile? Forced induction? How much timing advance? What fuel? What density altitude? What temperature?

There are way too many variables for a simple reductive statement to be universally true.

Our pentastar has an excellent torque curve. 80% peak torque is available from a low RPM and stays there for a long while.

It’s not going to compare to a diesel but it’s not too shabby either.

 

[Greg_L]

Like @Sweetums said (paraphrase) at what spec?

There is one thing inlines have over Vs- they run smoother than a V because of physics. No opposite inertia to counteract.

That's not true either. The "six" of inline-6 or V6 both divide into 360/720 equally...same for four and eight. In your example it's more about firing order. You can space the throws on the crank by degrees of a circle for perfect balance. If you engineer the cam's timing events/firing order to match then either example will run perfectly smooth in theory with less oppositional/pumping losses. Again, there's not one single advantage of an inline engine over a V....besides maybe cost to produce? I'm not even sure that's an advantage either. That's not to say inline engines suck. They don't. They're great. They're just not "better" at anything simply by virtue of being inline.

 

[Fundamental Jeepster]

Fix the damn leaking back window.

 

[smlobx]

I didn’t realize the diesel weighed 1k more. Thanks for the info. I had no idea. That would definitely change the ride of the Mojave. No offense taken at all. I knew the Rubicon diesel tow rating was less, now I know why.

Those numbers are not correct…

The 3.6 Pentastar gas engine weighs about 330 pounds

The 3.0 Diesel engine weighs about 507 pounds.

Just as a point of reference my 6.7 turbo diesel in my F-350 weighs 800 pounds…

Now you know.

 

[Sweetums]

Those numbers are not correct…

The 3.6 Pentastar gas engine weighs about 330 pounds

The 3.0 Diesel engine weighs about 507 pounds.

Just as a point of reference my 6.7 turbo diesel in my F-350 weighs 800 pounds…

Now you know.

You also have to add the more complicated exhaust, DEF tank and injectors, turbo, DPF...

 

[smlobx]

^^^
which would add maybe 100 pounds max.

 

[BourbonRunner]

That's not true either. The "six" of inline-6 or V6 both divide into 360/720 equally...same for four and eight. In your example it's more about firing order. You can space the throws on the crank by degrees of a circle for perfect balance. If you engineer the cam's timing events/firing order to match then either example will run perfectly smooth in theory with less oppositional/pumping losses. Again, there's not one single advantage of an inline engine over a V....besides maybe cost to produce? I'm not even sure that's an advantage either. That's not to say inline engines suck. They don't. They're great. They're just not "better" at anything simply by virtue of being inline.

Replace the word "smoother" with "less vibration" at idle in 5 and 6 cylinder applications. Not so much in 4's.

Better?

Far as the remainder, I don't know that there's any real cost savings on one vs the other.

 

[Guns_N_Rosaries]

Factory trailer brake controller

Thank you, it's ridiculous that I bought a truck with a tow package and it didn't come with a controller. I had to get the mopar one for like $300 just so it would be nice and flush.

 

[Sweetums]

Replace the word "smoother" with "less vibration" at idle in 5 and 6 cylinder applications. Not so much in 4's.

Better?

Far as the remainder, I don't know that there's any real cost savings on one vs the other.

Not so much in inline 4s? The straight 4 is inherently balanced (unless you're Yamaha's motorcycle division screwing around with Big Bang firing)

 

[BourbonRunner]

Not so much in inline 4s? The straight 4 is inherently balanced (unless you're Yamaha's motorcycle division screwing around with Big Bang firing)

It's been a long time since I've dug in on this but I recall reading a long time ago 4's inherently have more vibration at idle than 5cyl and 6cyl motors.

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