2026 Jeep JT Hybrid

[ShadowsPapa]

you combat anti electric car "bullshit" like its your fulltime job cat man

My goal has always been to counter crap with truth and facts where possible.
If you don't want one, don't buy one - but the BS excuses are not "reasons".

I've worked for decades countering bullshit. One can never win because when the truth is out of facts to convey, the other side always has hate and endless ammo made up of anything they can think of. But the smart ones will figure it out and sort the fact from the crap.

Sad when even dealership employees spew bullcrap - and people post "well, my service manager said.........." or "my service advisor said........." and they take that as factual? Because they are a dealership employee? They are trained on how to make things sound good to customers who don't know any better and who won't bother going any farther because some employee of a dealership said it!

A dealership tech also said that ABS and TC don't work below 35 mph - I bet 95% of all customers would believe that.
A dealership tech, and service advisor said "low batteries were due to the winch draining them" (even though there was a big red disconnect switch right next to the battery). I bet even some Jeep owners would believe it.

There's a lot of crap info out there, oils, transmissions, batteries and so on0 but the worst is in the PHEV area. Heck, some who have driven the PHEV version of the WK2 and the JLU even have the facts wrong - such as "gas only mode once the battery is down" - very wrong. It's a hybrid, it's that simple, among other very incorrect things people still believe, even after driving one.

I wouldn't be surprised if the EcoDiesel returns for 2027.

Possible......... they have to weigh the demand globally, and all across the U.S. but if there's enough demand in 45 of the states (50 minus certain obvious states) to counter any negative from the rest of the world - I can't see why not.

Sponsored

 

[D_JT]

Sorry, it's never all gas. It's always a hybrid.
We can get 20 ACTUAL MPG without charging the batteries - since it's always a hybrid and never all gas, I'd say that's damned good on a RUBICON BRICK. Who else gets 20 mpg with a JLU Rubicon????? (not diesel)
(you can choose to save the battery and kick it into a mostly gas mode and then use the electric power in town where it really counts)

It takes 2.25 hours to charge ours. (I installed a level 2 charger in our garage)
My wife takes it to town and back, and the last mile might be in hybrid mode (again, these are never all gas), she gets anywhere from 20-25 on all electric before it kicks into hybrid mode.

The braking is always regenerative - the button is a bit deceiving in how that works......... watch the gauges, let off the gas and it always regenerates during decel or braking, the button changes how forcefully it's applied. But the net gain back to the battery is pretty much always the same.

We figure it costs my wife about $1.18 for 25 miles in the winter, and about $1.70 per 25 miles of driving in the summer. We don't have solar, either. Iowa does typically export electricity and Iowa is about 80% renewable power.
Who else can drive a Wrangler 4 door Rubicon 25 miles for under a buck and a quarter? Or under 2 bucks in the summer?

My wifes 2019 3.6 JLU Rubicon on 35's gets 20mpg. The best we ever saw was 22mpg, but that was with the stock 33"s.

But yes, it is a hybrid "all the time". But the battery percentage effects how much the electric motor kicks in. When the battery is 5% or less, the electric motor is doing little to nothing and the gas motor is now trickle charging the hybrid battery. But like I said. With our commuting routine. The 4Xe did not benefit us unfortunately.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

The EcoDiesel was only discontinued because the CP4 pump recall required a stop sale. Ram and Jeep could no longer sell the engine until the new part was available which took over a year. And once the part was manufactured, there were not enough parts to satisfy both the recall and production. I wouldn't be surprised if the EcoDiesel returns for 2027.

Not to mention the new design fails just the same because it wasn't really redesigned, at least from what I've read.

Man I hope they bring the EcoD back, as long as they address the heat issues with the Wrangler and Gladi.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

But yes, it is a hybrid "all the time". But the battery percentage effects how much the electric motor kicks in. When the battery is 5% or less, the electric motor is doing little to nothing and the gas motor is now trickle charging the hybrid battery

No, that's not how it works either.

The cluster number is a "lie". It will say it's 1% or below, but it never is. That's because the system reserves the rest of the battery power for hybrid mode. The electric is never doing "little to nothing".
Even when it shows <1%, the electric is able to give full torque and HP.
The 4xe will run in pure electric all the way down to <1% - that's how it's programmed.
IF it's kicking in the gas engine before that, the electric motor is getting hot and over-used so they pull in the gas assist to reduce electric motor heat, but if that motor doesn't get hot, it will run 100% electric all the way down to <1%

The ONLY time there is a reduction in electric motor power otherwise is if you drive across miles and miles of flat land and never coast or brake - say a long trip across NE or KS where you don't ever regenerate. Then it can pull back on electric
In any normal driving, any hills at all, and braking, it's enough to keep that battery reserve high enough you have full electric power. You can pull up the display in the radio that shows exactly what's going on at all times - which of the motors are working, generating or powering, the whole power flow is diagrammed out.

Go joint a non-related 4xe forum - those guys know their shit and can give more technical info than almost anyone else. one guy even uses JSCAN to monitor everything, has raced his JLU 4xe.
I joined that forum the week I was looking at 4xe's as a possibility. Very eye-opening.

We drove through mountains twice with ours, and it always had so much torque that it didn't have to downshift on most grades - it stuck in 8th gear! It was amazing. My JT would have been in 5th or even 5th (also drove my JT through those same mountains twice - so I had a perfect comparison)

 

[AmosMoses]

Dirt road cred youtube channel posted a video about the V8 gladiator about 2 months ago. It has almost 190k views.

TFLnow posted one about 3 months ago talking about the 4xe gladiator. It has 17k views. There is some interest in the 4xe gladiator and jeeps in general but not to warrant the militant fervor at which 3 or 4 members here promote them. Its like some of you are holding holding major stock in battery tech or something.

 

[Hootbro]

I believe the 4xe was the only wrangler for sale in states like California. Dunno if that’s still the case

Somewhat true. Part of the settlement with Stellantis and California CARB was that "CARB Aligned" states like Maryland, Delaware and others would primarily get 4XE Wranglers for on dealer lot stock orders with ICE vehicles being customer orders only.

In my area until recently, that held true with easily a 80/20 split of PHEV/ICE Wranglers. Some dealers did play the game of having phantom customer orders of ICE Wranglers that were converted as rejected pick ups and went on the lots as dealer stock.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Dirt road cred youtube channel posted a video about the V8 gladiator about 2 months ago. It has almost 190k views.

TFLnow posted one about 3 months ago talking about the 4xe gladiator. It has 17k views. There is some interest in the 4xe gladiator and jeeps in general but not to warrant the militant fervor at which 3 or 4 members here promote them. Its like some of you are holding holding major stock in battery tech or something.

So who said anyone is promoting them?
You see countering lies and misinformation and disinformation as promoting?

You also realize that part of the reason for differences in views is how things are promoted, linked in the YT universe, followers and so on, right? Some people on youtube could post a cat video and it would get millions of views simply because those people are followed, or how the linking in YT is done. It's not about views as far as number, it's how those videos were found or promoted.

Google has magic formulas and if you know them, you can get views even for junk content.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Some dealers did play the game of having phantom customer orders of ICE Wranglers that were converted as rejected pick ups and went on the lots as dealer stock.

I wonder how that works out because my understanding is that the more "rejected pickups" you have, the lower your standing with Jeep. Here, they freak out if you threaten to not take delivery of an order - I asked, and was told "we get penalized if we have too many of those".

 

[RidinDirty]

The question to ask is if the 4xe and 5.7 Gladi were offered side by side at the same price point, which one would sell more?

 

[biodiesel]

If that place for you isn't on the trail (or "in the middle of nowhere"), then so be it.

Our small town just built a brand-new Jeep dealership. I think it opened in 2021. The owner permanently shut it down last year because Stellantis kept sending them 4xe vehicles which they couldn't sell. I know a dealer in Utah who said the same. Even at $15,000 off MSRP, they have a difficult time moving 4xe vehicles. Those of us who live in the middle of nowhere simply can't benefit from hybrids. On the flipside, the diesel vehicles sold as fast as they came in. The Jeep dealer in Farmington, NM sold a ton of diesels.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

There is no PHEV JT on the plant calendar for the remainder of the year.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The question to ask is if the 4xe and 5.7 Gladi were offered side by side at the same price point, which one would sell more?

Like ANY OTHER car or truck - isn't that rather a silly question? The V8 and probably in the same ratio as with other vehicles that offer the option. So is that really a question, and would the answer have any real meaning?
You know how it would go. Probably similar to how its gone with the JLU.

 

[Hootbro]

I wonder how that works out because my understanding is that the more "rejected pickups" you have, the lower your standing with Jeep. Here, they freak out if you threaten to not take delivery of an order - I asked, and was told "we get penalized if we have too many of those".

No clue. These were smaller stocking dealerships so it was not that many.

None of them ever seemed to suffer when they did the "Last Call" on the Hemi Challengers and Chargers and they did the same thing.

 

[biodiesel]

Not to mention the new design fails just the same because it wasn't really redesigned, at least from what I've read.

The new CP4 is made from hardened parts. It probably has a more durable protective coating. I think Stellantis knew they were going to lose a lawsuit, so they decided to initiate a voluntary recall rather than going through a costly settlement.

According to GDE, the EcoDiesel was the only diesel engine with the Bosch wear package (best in class). The wear package was a hardened coating that was a few microns thick. The coating was designed to help with poor lubricity fuel. An internal investigation showed that the EcoDiesel CP4 had less than a 1% failure rate, so it's a pretty good pump, but it can't tolerate borderline fuel. Those who run a good quality fuel (and use fuel additives) are having no issues with the CP4 pump. The CP4 pump has been proven to last 900,000 miles in North America when fuel additives are used religiously.

Man I hope they bring the EcoD back, as long as they address the heat issues with the Wrangler and Gladi.

Inside leaks from Stellantis has revealed that they are going to be pushing out several new diesel engines worldwide. These leaks came out not long after they removed Carlos Tavares as CEO. It's hard to know which diesel engines will make their way to North America, but the following is a list of engines that are planned through 2030. Keep in mind, Mercedes recently announced that they will be investing into diesel technology in the coming decade. I think we'll see diesel hybrids.

1.3-liter MultiJet I-4
1.6-liter MultiJet I-4
2.0-liter MultiJet I-4
2.2 MultiJet I-4 (including the updated 4.0 version)
3.0 MultiJet (EcoDiesel) V6
2.3 MultiJet (F1A – Fiat Ducato) I-4

 

[Zachanadandy]

If the gladiator has the new hybrid version of the 8 speed that zf patented it will be amazing. If I remember right it's double the hp and torque from the electric motor vs what is currently in the JLs and the 4xe rental we had for 2 weeks in Hawaii was a rocket compared to our JLUR and JTM with the 3.6L. With that transmission it would likely be quicker than the 392. 215 electric hp mated to the 3.6L 285hp for a nice round 500hp and the complexity of the hybrid integration is gone. Its handled by zf which I think we all trust more than Stellantis.

Sponsored