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I only lift every other day, on the other days I sleep in... until 3am. Our female dog is 13 year old and sensitive to the heat so afternoon/ evening walks are a no go in the summertime. It's a schedule that works for us, but it's definitely not for everyone.
I lift every day and then take 2 days off. I lift in the evening after my reports are done.
I am in my 50's so I dont do super heavy weight anymore . I walk alot I mean alot . Miles and miles everyday on my job so I rarely do any running just lifting and calisthenics. All of my lifting is with dumbells of varying weights.
What was this thread about ??🤔
Oh yeah steering improvement.
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I lift every day and then take 2 days off. I lift in the evening after my reports are done.
I am in my 50's so I dont do super heavy weight anymore . I walk alot I mean alot . Miles and miles everyday on my job so I rarely do any running just lifting and calisthenics. All of my lifting is with dumbells of varying weights.
What was this thread about ??🤔
Oh yeah steering improvement.
Yes PSC is the ticket
Threads only have a starting topic, like any other conversation they can end up anywhere. I'm nearly 47 but will lift heavy until I can't. I average 15-20k steps per day between work and walking the dogs (currently running a 1.8 million square foot warehouse project) so I don't do cardio. Probably not hitting PRs anymore but still stronger than most. I'll throw 315 on the bench press for some low rep sets every now and then just to remind myself I can, but pushing towards 400lbs my shoulder reminds me I'm an old man the next day/days.
 

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Push up and down on the front bumper as hard as you can and watch the steering wheel. If it rocks back and forth then you have bump steer from the lift causing the drag link and track bar being at different angles. The stock setup works at the stock ride height, but as soon as you start lifting it, it throws them out of whack.Teraflex sells a track bar bracket for 2.5” to 3.5” , and they sell a slightly taller one for 4.5”. The shorter one moves the track bar up I think 1.25 inches and the taller one moves it up 1.5 inches. It’s similar to when you do a flip kit, but flip kits move it up the same amount that you move the drag link up which is usually like 3 inches. These brackets will eliminate that bump steer. I made my own by just copying theirs. It made a lot of difference in the steering. The other thing that’ll give you the absolute best driving manners is doing a hydraulic steering assist ram from either PSC l, redneck Rams or there’s another company that just came out with a kit too.

https://teraflex.com/jl-jt-front-track-bar-axle-bracket-kit-2-5-3-5-lift.html
 
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I lift every day and then take 2 days off. I lift in the evening after my reports are done.
I am in my 50's so I dont do super heavy weight anymore . I walk alot I mean alot . Miles and miles everyday on my job so I rarely do any running just lifting and calisthenics. All of my lifting is with dumbells of varying weights.
What was this thread about ??🤔
Oh yeah steering improvement.
Yes PSC is the ticket
I typically do Mon/Tues/Fri/Sat in the gym. Other days are rest days. I typically get around 10k a day. Sometimes more or less.

Threads only have a starting topic, like any other conversation they can end up anywhere. I'm nearly 47 but will lift heavy until I can't. I average 15-20k steps per day between work and walking the dogs (currently running a 1.8 million square foot warehouse project) so I don't do cardio. Probably not hitting PRs anymore but still stronger than most. I'll throw 315 on the bench press for some low rep sets every now and then just to remind myself I can, but pushing towards 400lbs my shoulder reminds me I'm an old man the next day/days.
Shit, my 150lb 30 year old ass only ever maxed at 225for bench and I used to pull 435 for deadlift but screwed my back/hip area up so took a break from it… a long break 😂

Push up and down on the front bumper as hard as you can and watch the steering wheel. If it rocks back and forth then you have bump steer from the lift causing the drag link and track bar being at different angles. The stock setup works at the stock ride height, but as soon as you start lifting it, it throws them out of whack.Teraflex sells a track bar bracket for 2.5” to 3.5” , and they sell a slightly taller one for 4.5”. The shorter one moves the track bar up I think 1.25 inches and the taller one moves it up 1.5 inches. It’s similar to when you do a flip kit, but flip kits move it up the same amount that you move the drag link up which is usually like 3 inches. These brackets will eliminate that bump steer. I made my own by just copying theirs. It made a lot of difference in the steering. The other thing that’ll give you the absolute best driving manners is doing a hydraulic steering assist ram from either PSC l, redneck Rams or there’s another company that just came out with a kit too.

https://teraflex.com/jl-jt-front-track-bar-axle-bracket-kit-2-5-3-5-lift.html
any track bar bracket will require me to flip the drag link as it will make the track bar and drag link not parallel to one another as they are now.
 

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typically do M/T/F/S in the gym. Other days are rest days. I typically get around 10k a day. Sometimes more or less
I like M-F then off Saturday and Sunday.
I dont care to be tired at work or sore . I just walk more . I typically average 6-8k steps a day . Unless its pouring the rain. Folks in my position melt in the rain. 😂
 

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I typically do Mon/Tues/Fri/Sat in the gym. Other days are rest days. I typically get around 10k a day. Sometimes more or less.



Shit, my 150lb 30 year old ass only ever maxed at 225for bench and I used to pull 435 for deadlift but screwed my back/hip area up so took a break from it… a long break 😂



any track bar bracket will require me to flip the drag link as it will make the track bar and drag link not parallel to one another as they are now.
Haven't been 150lbs since the 9th grade. The 315lb bench is less impressive at 265lbs. 450lbs is my PR, but my shoulder doesn't appreciate 400+ anymore. At my standard commercial gym I'm usually the strongest guy in there even in the afternoons, at my old powerlifting gym I was probably in the bottom 30%. Granted the massive, competitive dudes were also juiced to the gills, but watching a guy pull 900lbs and then bench 650 is both inspirational and demoralizing at the same time.
 

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any track bar bracket will require me to flip the drag link as it will make the track bar and drag link not parallel to one another as they are now.

Not true. I’ve done as have others. The two mentioned above strictly deal with bump steer from lifting the Jeep. No flip kit required.
 

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any track bar bracket will require me to flip the drag link as it will make the track bar and drag link not parallel to one another as they are now.

Not true. I’ve done as have others. The two mentioned above strictly deal with bump steer from lifting the Jeep. No flip kit required.
I still don't buy it. Lifting the truck changes the angle of the drag link and track bar equally as 1 end is attached to the axle and the other to the frame. If they were parallel stock they are parallel after 10" of lift (obviously both at a terrible angle with that extreme). However you move the drag link you should also move the track bar. Looking at these brackets it looks like they move the track bar up AND toward the drivers side effectively keeping it at the same angle and simply allowing you to use the stock bar and center the axles after the lift. I don't think it's doing what you think it is.
 
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any track bar bracket will require me to flip the drag link as it will make the track bar and drag link not parallel to one another as they are now.

Not true. I’ve done as have others. The two mentioned above strictly deal with bump steer from lifting the Jeep. No flip kit required.
The most common cause of bump steer is a track bar and drag link that aren’t properly aligned. Mine are properly aligned currently, if I raise the track bar they will not be any more.
 

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The track bar is shorter than the drag link. At stock ride height everything works great. The farther the axle moves away from the frame the more the bump steer will be induced. That’s why they sell one bracket for 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 inches of lift and another one for 4 1/2 inches. If you push up and down on the front of your jeep making the suspension move three or 4 inches and your steering wheel rocks back back-and-forth, you have bump steer. Only cost 100 bucks to buy that bracket and put it on and then run the same test again see if you’re steering wheel hardly moves.
 

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I am a firm believer stock track bar mount location is for stock height . I only went 2.5" lift to start with. I had a Core Crawl series track bar . When I went to the soft Fox/JKS 2.5s and was very soft on the road. So on dips in the road the suspension traveled to the point I had annoying amount of bump steer . I since went with Currie high steer , still had a little bump steer . By reinstalling the slightly stiffer Eibach shock it still rides good but next to no Bump steer. I do believe once lifted a track bar mount could help .I wish the made an adjustable lower mount . I am presently using Synergy 3" springs instead of the MOPAR lift springs in the front and swapped the Core track bar for a synergy to gain some clearance between the track bar and the Synergy track bar /sector shaft bearing . It hit once again so I removed the Synergy sector shaft bearing . alls well so far . As you can tell I enjoy experimenting to get my own personal experience.
 

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I'm a strong advocate against control arm drop brackets for anyone that wheels in rocks.

I had some on my jeep for a few weeks and got them hung up on my first trip in the Sierra Nevada mountains.
 

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I'm a strong advocate against control arm drop brackets for anyone that wheels in rocks.

I had some on my jeep for a few weeks and got them hung up on my first trip in the Sierra Nevada mountains.
Pick better lines? I don't think there's a scratch on the ones on my wife's JLUR even after the Rubicon, John Bull, and Pritchett Canyon. The 39s probably help with the clearance, but I don't drag the control arms through obstacles either.
 

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Pick better lines? I don't think there's a scratch on the ones on my wife's JLUR even after the Rubicon, John Bull, and Pritchett Canyon. The 39s probably help with the clearance, but I don't drag the control arms through obstacles either.
Really, even after the rubicon? Sorry I'm in disbelief. How many bypasses? You didn't do the soup bowl, 100% guaranteed. You put your wheels on the high line in many cases on the rubicon, and then drop down off the high line. Rock sliders get used.

I'm an hour away from the rubicon... The trail I hung up on was Deer Valley 4x4 at the high end where the boulder field is, after the water crossing (coming down from blue lakes).

Why would you 1st install a 3"+ lift, and then install 3"+ drop brackets which lower your clearance to the original height along the frame rails, unless you just drive FS roads which is totally fine.
 

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Really, even after the rubicon? Sorry I'm in disbelief. How many bypasses? You didn't do the soup bowl, 100% guaranteed. You put your wheels on the high line in many cases on the rubicon, and then drop down off the high line.

I'm an hour away from the rubicon... The trail I hung up on was Deer Valley 4x4 at the high end where the boulder field is, after the water crossing.

Why would you 1st install a 3"+ lift, and then install 3"+ drop brackets which lower your clearance to the original height along the frame rails, unless you just drive FS roads which is totally fine.
Didn't do soup bowl or old sluice in this Jeep, but neither of those are the main trail so I'd say 0 bypasses but not every optional obstacle. We've done deer valley in this Jeep too, no hang ups and didn't need the lockers at all. If I was lifting and then dropping the frame, skids, and cross members 3" I'd get your argument, but the increased clearance everywhere else is still there. Not to mention with the larger tires the control arm drop brackets still have far more ground clearance than they did stock. The ride is much better, especially at speed out in the desert on washboards and such which is why we run drop brackets on both Jeeps. Our property is about 20 miles out a dirt road in the desert and we make that trip 10-12 times a year and do most of our wheeling in the desert so ride is very important to us. I've hit the brackets on the JT a few times but never got hung up on them. Could you possibly get hung up on them? Sure. Is it worth sacrificing high speed bump handling for the rare case I slip off a rock or pick a bad line? Not for me but your use may vary.
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