So at the end of the day why the Gladiator? Pickup is better

[Blisskiss]

The Gladiator is not much smaller than a Ram 1500 at all. Those of you buying the Gladiator because it's "mid-sized" are kidding yourselves.

Having said that, the Gladiator does have a lot more "fun" appeal than the Ram. That's definitely the reason we're here. The Ram 1500 is less expensive, has more capability, and has a ton more power. It gets identical fuel economy, and it'll be less expensive to insure. It's more practical, certainly. But, you can't take the top off or the doors.

"Capability"? I think not. I think the Gladiator is much more capable for my needs.

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[Lou3.6]

So at the end of the day the 1500 Ram is cheaper hauls more.. and isn't a pain to order.
Why the Glad?

https://www.ramtrucks.com/build.ram...62,AEF,ANT,ADB,UAV,AHC,Z6D,RC3,X9,PR4,27Z,APA

I find this "thought?" not well planned or thought out ! Apples & Oranges is the simplest way to state a response, simple as that . . . and just as Apples and Oranges are so vastly different, we too are as different as the Entire Fruit & Vegetable bins of life. Get what "works" for YOU !
I've test driven a number of JK's and JL's - the JL's are a Nice Improvement ! The DT's are a Very Nice Improvement over the DT's ! But the JT and the DT are Apples vs. Oranges . . . don't belong on the same "Tree" !
Why a JT for ME ? I won't be tempted to fall asleep at the wheel after driving 3 hours on the interstate on my way to the dirt backroads and trails taking me to where I REALLY wanna be . . . and that is as far away from Urban Noise as I can get.

 

[5JeepsAz]

100% Jeep. 100%Truck.

This is your grandaddy's truck...

 

[5chema]

You wouldn’t understand...

It’s a Jeep thing!

 

[5chema]

But maybe now you’ll understand...

That’s a Jeep thing!!!

 

[steffen707]

Customizability for me. Of course, you can customize any full size truck, but there is so much that can be done to distinguish one Gladiator (or Wrangler) from another, its made to be modified (just look at all the shops that make aftermarket parts for Jeeps). Brand recognition (almost anyone that sees the grill knows its a Jeep), vs a full size. Convertibility as well (take the Freedom panels off, take off the top, put a soft top on it, get a bikini for it), you get the right amount of wind in your hair and sun on your face.

I have a truck and I have a Wrangler. I need to be able to haul 14k lbs a few times a year, and get a load of gravel or top soil, that is where the truck comes in. I sometimes off road on tight trails, or want to go on long rides in the summer with the top off, that is where the Wrangler comes in. I even looked at Raptors, Rebels and Power Wagons but could not get something that works well in both situations.

The closest thing I found to checking all the boxes was when the Gladiator was introduced. And I am still keeping the truck and Wrangler!

Keeping the truck to haul 14,000 or just making 2 trips with JT?

 

[WXman]

"Capability"? I think not. I think the Gladiator is much more capable for my needs.

The Ram 1500 can be equipped with more payload, thousands of pounds more towing, and has considerably more room inside for people and gear, and in the cargo box also.

If it's offroad where you must travel, the Ram 2500 Power Wagon does everything that Ram 1500 can do, plus adds all the features of the Rubicon, AND a factory winch.

Each has more capability than a Gladiator, and either can be bought for the same or less money as the Gladiator.

But, again, it's all about that removable top and doors.

 

[dakota.morgan91]

To the OP,
For me, since I work for a different manufacturer, it is nice to have a "reason" to buy a Jeep so that I don't get raised eyebrows from my co-workers. The Gladiator (since it is a truck) gives me that reason! My brand does not sell a truck so this fills that void for me. I get a truck and a wrangler! I don't need 1500capabilities, but me and the misses really have been leaning towards a truck. This just solves all for me!

 

[Blisskiss]

Getting what I would want in a power wagon vs what I want in a Jeep is going to be $20,000 more expensive after going through the price tool, and then I still lose out on some things that the Gladiator offers, and vis a versa. The power wagon is just not the right fit. I get more bang for my buck with the Gladiator for reasons not listed in the build summaries.

Now, if I was 50yr old or needed more towing capability then I may consider a full sized truck. But the fact is I won't be able to be a part of the Jeep life. I would classify myself into a social group that I just don't belong to. I think a vehicle should express who the driver is.

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

Getting what I would want in a power wagon vs what I want in a Jeep is going to be $20,000 more expensive after going through the price tool, and then I still lose out on some things that the Gladiator offers, and vis a versa. The power wagon is just not the right fit. I get more bang for my buck with the Gladiator for reasons not listed in the build summaries.

Now, if I was 50yr old or needed more towing capability then I may consider a full sized truck. But the fact is I won't be able to be a part of the Jeep life. I would classify myself into a social group that I just don't belong to. I think a vehicle should express who the driver is.

https://www.dennisdillonchryslerjee...perform=get_results&trim[]=Power+Wagon&page=1

No way thats $20,000 more. Power Wagons after discounts are about $45-50K

 

[Blisskiss]

https://www.dennisdillonchryslerjeepdodge.com/new-vehicles/ram-2500/#action=im_ajax_call&perform=get_results&trim[]=Power+Wagon&page=1

No way thats $20,000 more. Power Wagons after discounts are about $45-50K

After going through the build tool, for me, (or in other words, what would make me happy, bc spending <$ for a disappointment wouldn't make me happy and be an utter fucking waste, because that's the type of person I am) is going be around 70k MSRP. vs 50k at 7% below invoice.

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

After going through the build tool, for me, (or in other words, what would make me happy, bc spending <$ for a disappointment wouldn't make me happy and be an utter fucking waste, because that's the type of person I am) is going be around 70k MSRP. vs 50k at 7% below invoice.

MSRP is useless. Its not what the truck actually sells for. If you were to spec them similarly the power wagon is usually less money after discounts than a similar equipped Rubicon which would be the only trim comparable.

 

[Blisskiss]

MSRP is useless. Its not what the truck actually sells for. If you were to spec them similarly the power wagon is usually less money after discounts than a similar equipped Rubicon which would be the only trim comparable.

I don't how many times I can rephrase it, the Power Wagon base sure you're right, but no one is buying base. At least I am not. And once I spec a Power Wagon to what would please me, it's at least 15k more. Rightly so, there's reasons for that. It's just not the reasons for me.

We're buying happiness, nothing more nothing less. It comes down to that. And for me, 50k of a Gladiator vs 50k of a Power Wagon, the Gladiator wins every time. Why? Because I would stare at the 50k power wagon in disappointment, anger, and regret.

Now if I would get a Power Wagon I would get one around 70k, then I would be equally happy as I would be with a 50k Gladiator. But I never would do that unless I need to tow something bigger, or I am old and need what the Gladiator doesn't have.

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

I don't how many times I can rephrase it, the Power Wagon base sure you're right, not no one is buying base. At least I am not. And once I spec a Power Wagon to what would please me, it's at least 15k more. Rightly so, there's reasons for that. It's just not the reasons for me.

Im not talking about a base. On average the Power Wagons have $15K off MSRP with the tread lightly program and even more the higher in MSRP. A $55K Rubicon @7% below invoice is roughly $3,600 off by comparison. Here is a spread sheet I did:

A Power Wagon with leather seats, and 12" screen is similar in price to a Rubicon with leather seats and 8.4" screen, if not less. You keep saying 15K more but thats in MSRP thats not actual purchase price.

EDIT:

I just built a Power Wagon with the same features as on the Rubicon:

Options:
-PowerWagon Level 2 Equipment Group - Leather seats
-Bed Utility Group - LED Bed Lighting, Spray In Bed Liner
-Power Wagon Badging Delete
-Uconnect® 4C NAV with 12-Inch Display
-17-Speaker Harman Kardon® Premium Sound System
-Remote-Start System
-Blind-Spot and Cross-Path Detection

MSRP: 64,270 - 15,000 = $49,270.00

 

[Blisskiss]

Im not talking about a base. On average the Power Wagons have $15K off MSRP with the tread lightly program and even more the higher in MSRP. A $55K Rubicon @7% below invoice is roughly $3,600 off by comparison. Here is a spread sheet I did:

A Power Wagon with leather seats, and 12" screen is similar in price to a Rubicon with leather seats and 8.4" screen, if not less. You keep saying 15K more but thats in MSRP thats not actual purchase price.

No I said 20k more, but I dropped off 5k to bring it 15 as an acknowledgement of the discounts for the Power Wagon. It's still more because for the third time I'm not comparing base spec apples to base oranges, I'm comparing what I would actually spec, and so what I would spec in a Power Wagon in reality is going to be more than what I would spec in a Gladiator. Again it's not about base price, its about the bottom line for what would give me happiness.

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