Max Tow Package Availability? Now a Max Payload thread

[ShadowsPapa]

Of course the carriers are different. The Rubicon gets Tru-Lok lockers front and rear, Sport doesn't.

As far as the discussion about what is and isn't included in the GVWR figures, all of that is explained in the owners manual. No need to scour the internet for it.

This is all the owner manual says - and to some it will be confusing.

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)
The GVWR is the total allowable weight of your vehicle. This
includes driver, passengers, cargo and tongue weight. The
total load must be limited so that you do not exceed the
GVWR. Refer to “Vehicle Loading/Vehicle Certification
Label” in “Starting And Operating” for further information.

Payload
The payload of a vehicle is defined as the allowable load
weight a truck can carry, including the weight of the driver,
all passengers, options and cargo.


That's direct out of the PDF owner manual.
So if the vehicle weighs 4700 pounds and the gross is xxxx, all one has to do is the math and figure the difference. The driver is an add-in and not figured in vehicle weight.

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[Murgatroid]

I didnt order anything. I bought mine as it was found on the lot.

Then the options that the factory added to the base is the difference in the wts. I'm assuming the advertised wt is for a base with soft top with no options. I figured the difference in mine was due to, hardtop and running boards.

 

[AaronJ0072]

I am no longer seeing the Max Tow Package available on the Jeep building tool. Neither is the 4.10 axel an option, except as standard on the Rubicon. Both the mobile site and desktop site have it that way

Any news on this?

ETA: still available on the Sport model. But isnt the Sport S just the Sport with a 24S package? Every “Sport S” I have seen at dealers had window sheets as Sport and a 24S package in the “extras” section

ETA: Now a Max Payload thread

Placed an order a couple of weeks ago for a hydro blue Overland and wanted the max tow with the trailer brake control they show on the website. No can do so I had to order without it. I agree with the others, the Build your Jeep only offers suggestions, not always available options.

 

[WXman]

Placed an order a couple of weeks ago for a hydro blue Overland and wanted the max tow with the trailer brake control they show on the website. No can do so I had to order without it. I agree with the others, the Build your Jeep only offers suggestions, not always available options.

If you want Max Tow, you definitely need to get it because the huge increase in payload isn't something you can add later. That number stamped on the door placard can't be changed. It's not like other options where you could just add them later yourself.

I noticed that on the build tool, you have to select the auto trans. before you can select Max Towing.

 

[kostik76]

I am no longer seeing the Max Tow Package available on the Jeep building tool. Neither is the 4.10 axel an option, except as standard on the Rubicon. Both the mobile site and desktop site have it that way

Any news on this?

ETA: still available on the Sport model. But isnt the Sport S just the Sport with a 24S package? Every “Sport S” I have seen at dealers had window sheets as Sport and a 24S package in the “extras” section

ETA: Now a Max Payload thread

I could not get it with manual transmission in any trim. And it did suck that was the only option i actually do not mind paying Jeep for... If I knew I could get it on manual I would not buy it without it, so if you are planning to buy one tell the dealer that max tow is a deal breaker and just hunker down and wait. I am still pissed of i could not get it on mine

 

[lrtexasman]

Was never available with Overland trim.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Was never available with Overland trim.

And that was a huge disappointment because my current truck is LOADED - all of the options, leather, power this and that, off-road package and more - and I wanted a vehicle with the looks and comfort to tow my cars in comfort. To have to settle for either comfort OR towing ability and not both was silly. The overland should also be included in the maxtow package, IMO.
otherwise to tow you have to buy a stripped down version without the NAV - I mean really - towing across the country or even locally and no nav?

 

[kelkolb]

And that was a huge disappointment because my current truck is LOADED - all of the options, leather, power this and that, off-road package and more - and I wanted a vehicle with the looks and comfort to tow my cars in comfort. To have to settle for either comfort OR towing ability and not both was silly. The overland should also be included in the maxtow package, IMO.
otherwise to tow you have to buy a stripped down version without the NAV - I mean really - towing across the country or even locally and no nav?

Most people don't need NAV if they have Apple Carplay or Android Auto on the 7" radio

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Most people don't need NAV if they have Apple Carplay or Android Auto on the 7" radio

True that - but it's a smaller screen with the Sport S as well as other options you just can't get.
To get those options you have to give up max tow. I'd have to dig through my order sheets/notes and such but there were at least three other options you could not get, plus the smaller screen. When you are far-sighted, a tiny screen doesn't do a ton of good.
I understand some of the things - but the better payload and towing should have been available.
The Rubicon has a better tow and payload and it seems aimed more at rock crawling and off-road rather than towing or hauling with AT tires - it's not a highway truck like the others.

 

[PyrPatriot]

When I was shopping I came across Rubicons that were just a couple grand more than the Sport S I bought. The extra payload and towing mattered more to me than offroad capability like electronic swaybar disconnects and lockers. But part of me wonders...

 

[futzin']

Most people don't need NAV if they have Apple Carplay or Android Auto on the 7" radio

There are still plenty of places where there is no cell service. Places that Jeep people are likely to go!

 

[giskard]

When I was shopping I came across Rubicons that were just a couple grand more than the Sport S I bought. The extra payload and towing mattered more to me than offroad capability like electronic swaybar disconnects and lockers. But part of me wonders...

Yep, that happened to me. By the time I specced a Sport S like I wanted and factored in upgrading things like the headlights, wheels, and tires I wasn't all that far off from a Rubicon. So I stepped up to the Rubicon even though I likely won't use the lockers and disconnectable sway bar very much. I *will* get use out of the max payload and towing, though (for a manual). Plus now I'll have proximity locks which was the biggest non-retrofittable feature I was missing on the Sport S. And I'm already looking at local 4x4 trails - who knows I might get the bug and use all that off road gear anyway ...

 

[PyrPatriot]

I found another instance of the driver weight allotment. See at the bottom: GCVWR = Base Weight + Gross Trailer Weight + 150lbs for Driver

 

[WXman]

And that was a huge disappointment because my current truck is LOADED - all of the options, leather, power this and that, off-road package and more - and I wanted a vehicle with the looks and comfort to tow my cars in comfort. To have to settle for either comfort OR towing ability and not both was silly. The overland should also be included in the maxtow package, IMO.
otherwise to tow you have to buy a stripped down version without the NAV - I mean really - towing across the country or even locally and no nav?

That's the thing about payload. A truck starts with X GVWR. Then, payload goes down as you add Y options. There's a direct relationship there. Since the Overland is the "luxury" trim, it's obviously going to have the lowest payload and towing of the group, and therefore offering a Max Towing package on that particular trim would be kind of contradictory.

Since yours is totally loaded, I'm betting your payload is around 1,025 lbs. or so. Am I close? There was one guy on this forum with a base Sport who showed his door jamb placard and it was over 1,600 lbs. payload. That's a 36% increase by leaving off the options and luxury.

Unfortunately, luxury and maximum capability can't go together. It's one or the other. As you know, this is true of every pickup truck on the market.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's the thing about payload. A truck starts with X GVWR. Then, payload goes down as you add Y options. There's a direct relationship there. Since the Overland is the "luxury" trim, it's obviously going to have the lowest payload and towing of the group, and therefore offering a Max Towing package on that particular trim would be kind of contradictory.

Since yours is totally loaded, I'm betting your payload is around 1,025 lbs. or so. Am I close? There was one guy on this forum with a base Sport who showed his door jamb placard and it was over 1,600 lbs. payload. That's a 36% increase by leaving off the options and luxury.

Unfortunately, luxury and maximum capability can't go together. It's one or the other. As you know, this is true of every pickup truck on the market.

The basic Sport S with manual transmission is rated 1600. That explains why that person has that sticker, they didn't STRIP it of anything, the ratings are without ADDED options, not with things taken out - the manual transmission has a higher payload.
If he had added options it would have gone down a tad. The rating is for a vehicle "as equipped" from the factory. He bought it as it sat, no options, not that anything was removed. The chart does show a payload of 1600 for Sport with manual transmission.

The overland and Sport S weigh the same, the Rubicon is heavier than either.

So what you suggest about having max tow on the overland makes no sense at all.
Are you kidding? Silly to add max tow - when the Sport S and Overland WEIGH THE SAME and have the same PAYLOAD out of the gate??
An Overland has a payload of 1100 and so does a Sport S.
The Overland GVWR is identical to a Sport S - but your logic says the Overland is a luxury model so weighs more.

My payload is 1031 and that's 69 pounds under 1100 - likely due to the bed liner and tonneau cover, heavier Alpine speakers, leather seats, 69 is not too far under the stock 1100 they advertise. The options don't add much for weight.
Add those same options to a Sport S and you'd have the same results.
That's because the Sport S has the same payload and the same GVWR as the Overland.
But you say the Overland is luxury so much heavier...........how can that be? That's because it's not. Only ADDED options change the payload rating.

So they took a Sport S with 1100 pounds payload and identical GVWR and added max tow and increased the numbers.
Why not do the same for Overland?
They weigh the same, they have the SAME basic payload, so why not.
It's ONLY max tow that gives sport the edge. I'ts not because the Overland is heavier. It's because it's a different target.

It takes more than just the weight to determine the payload (otherwise the Rubicon would be the worst of any of them).
I've seen that proven over the decades when people take a pickup and toss in the weight that a comparable model is supposed to be able to haul - and find their bearings, tires and springs and other parts go to heck. That's because they don't have the better axles and springs like their buddy has - not because their truck is a luxury truck.
With Rubicon and Sport S with MAX TOW - you are buying other parts that support the weight - not a lighter vehicle. Because they are NOT lighter than mine!
I've repaired enough busted trucks over the years - when people thought gee, they have a xxx F150 and I have a xxx F150, same engine, same transmission. Well the one was rated higher due to springs and axles. My own F250 could haul a whole lot more than most others because it had extra heavy-duty axles under it and beefier springs. Otherwise my truck was loaded for a 95 - it had literally every option.

Bottom line - my truck is rated the same as a Sport S =
The GVWR of the Overland is the same as the Sport S = 5800 (Rubicon is 6250).
(I have the book/chart showing these numbers.)
Sport S and Overland both rated 6,000 pounds towing.
Sport S and Overland both rated 1100 pounds payload.

But the overland is luxury and so much heavier - so it would be silly to add max tow?
Why? It's marketing, that's why. Psychology, Madison Avenue, target audience.

You can't compare the various models and say it's all about weight.
FCA says otherwise.

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