The Philistine thread - non-lifted Gladiators and not likely to be, either

[texanjeeper]

Is the conversion for my Philistine front lights (from standard bulbs to all LED) a plug-and-play process or does the system have to be modified in some other ways?

I can only speak for myself, but I converted ALL front lights to LED's, I now have daytime running lights (brilliant white) and amber flashing for turn signals, as well as switchbacks for my fog lamps.

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[BamaJeepTruck]

Is the conversion for my Philistine front lights (from standard bulbs to all LED) a plug-and-play process or does the system have to be modified in some other ways?

I did all plug and play LED's off amazon. Huge difference. Been going strong almost a year now. Id recommend removing the whole grill instead of trying to come in from behind. Looks and sounds way more difficult than it is. Fogs are much more a pain.

 

[texanjeeper]

I did all plug and play LED's off amazon. Huge difference. Been going strong almost a year now. Id recommend removing the whole grill instead of trying to come in from behind. Looks and sounds way more difficult than it is. Fogs are much more a pain.

True dat, every part of it. Fogs were much harder than the rest. Taking the grill off is easy-peasy.

 

[DT'sJT]

Thats why I got the Mojave, no lift needed, the factory suspension is awesome and 37/13.5/18 bolted right on.

Your JT looks sweet. I've had my Mojave for about a month now. First Jeep! I Love it, so forgive me if I sound like a newbie, 'cause I am. I'm really wanting to know if it rubs on or off road, or when turning? I'm not going to be crazy off road but I'd love 37's to not rub on a trail. Also does the 37 fit in the spare tire spot under the bed? I have read somewhere else that it does, I'd really like to hear your take on that. Thanks in advance, again I think it looks awesome!

 

[BDK]

Yep same story for me, and the member I bought them from installed them in is driveway while I was picking them up and gave me wheel locks for free since they didn't fit his new wheels. Also was able to sell my Sport wheels and tires in less than a week on here for $300. Deals are out there, search the member marketplace, craigslist, and Facebook marketplace and something will come up eventually.

Same for me too.

I know it's personal taste, but the Rubi tires and wheels made it look like a jeep instead of a rental vehicle.

I got the Falken A/Ts and I noticed a definite improvement on wet pavement too.

 

[Willys2Gladiator]

No lift here. I tow with it, stock height is better. I also use to access some wild and beautiful parts of WV.

Looks awesome. Nice seeing a Jeep not all jacked up. Seems to be the norm and it gets frankly old. It's nice to see one like yours and it always puts a smile on my face.

Yes mine has a 2.5 lift and I often wish I kept it stock.

 

[DiabolicalDianoga]

I guess I'm just a Philistine then. I don't intend on doing a lift at any point with mine. Mine is a daily driver first and foremost. Not going to sacrifice my very pleasant on road manors and fuel economy for the 1-2% of the time I might need or want to have a lift. I'm gonna upgrade my tires to as close to 34s as I can get at the time, that's about it. My off road driving habits are pretty tame and if I want to do more serious off roading or rock crawling, I'm gonna build a dedicated rig that I'm far less concerned about breaking.

 

[Planerdude]

Your JT looks sweet. I've had my Mojave for about a month now. First Jeep! I Love it, so forgive me if I sound like a newbie, 'cause I am. I'm really wanting to know if it rubs on or off road, or when turning? I'm not going to be crazy off road but I'd love 37's to not rub on a trail. Also does the 37 fit in the spare tire spot under the bed? I have read somewhere else that it does, I'd really like to hear your take on that. Thanks in advance, again I think it looks awesome!

No rubbing on pavement at full turns. Have been on some local desert powerline roads, heavy washboards and woops, no rubbing.
any heavy rock crawling , im sure it will rub?but thats not what the Mojave is for?.
As for the spare, im keeping my stock spare. You can run a smaller tire in an emergency.
Just make sure your locker is unlocked.

 

[Planerdude]

Your Mojave looks kick ass with them 37's . Just ordered mine a week ago and vant wait get it.. hopefully there's no delay in building it since they have this semiconductor chip shortage. I'll prob do 35's later. What's your gas mileage with them 37's?

Right now im at 16, but thats all city driving.

 

[Jert]

I LOVE to see what lifts and mods you all have done. Mine will see some light off-roading, but it has to fit in the parking garage, etc.... Believe me, I have done my share of off-roading, I was born in strip mine country 50 odd years ago. All I did was put Rubicon take-off's on mine and I love it. Not messin up what the Jeep engineers worked so hard on to get it to go down the road as "good" as it does. ;-)

 

[Ogre_FL]

So is a Leveling kit NOT considered a lift?
I always thought of it as 1/2 a lift.

 

[SwampNut]

So is a Leveling kit NOT considered a lift?
I always thought of it as 1/2 a lift.

I don't know anyone who considers it that. Lifts are typically 2" or more, and all corners. Leveling is typically under 1" and front only. Lifts need a lot of parts swapped (a 2" puck lift SUCKS and does nothing at all for usability, makes it worse, looks only). Geometry is reset and re-aligned. Leveling is just a puck and doesn't significantly change geometry.

 

[BamaJeepTruck]

So is a Leveling kit NOT considered a lift?
I always thought of it as 1/2 a lift.

In my personal opinion a lift would require replacing stock parts. For example adding a wheel spacer doesn’t mean you got new wheels. My $.02

 

[Ogre_FL]

I don't know anyone who considers it that. Lifts are typically 2" or more, and all corners. Leveling is typically under 1" and front only. Lifts need a lot of parts swapped (a 2" puck lift SUCKS and does nothing at all for usability, makes it worse, looks only). Geometry is reset and re-aligned. Leveling is just a puck and doesn't significantly change geometry.

I have seen a number of 2" front .75 rear and 1.5" fronts .75 rear "leveling kits" mentioned on different threads.
That is all 4 corners, right?
But if that is not considered a lift because its just spacers/pucks , that's cool.

 

[SwampNut]

2" spacer lift, or "budget boost," etc. The lines are blurry. I think everyone knows if you say "leveling kit" you are only doing one end, and only a little. I've never heard someone say "leveling" and then go lift every corner. And for sure, 2" of puck is going to be problematic without adjustable suspension parts, OEM are normally not.

Edited for typo.

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