3.0L "Tornado" Straight-Six Engine (GME T6) Coming to Various Jeep Models

[NC_Overland]

Less displacement is some how going to be better? Turbo lag any one? Hey Stellantis, cut the crap and build a 4.5 litre Pentastar that has stump pulling torque down low and does not need to rev out like a sportbike just to "make" horsepower.

Turbo lag is a non issue. It’s actually the opposite Look at the torque curves of these modern turbos like the TT V6s in the Ford and Toyota. Hell, my 2.0t Audi made maximum torque at 1500 RPM and held it to the redline. I loved that engine…

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[Aonarch]

Since this thread is going in this direction, as an automotive engineer here is my perspective:

ICE isn't going away any time soon and I don't think that pure EV cars are the future. Lithium mining and other precious metals is nasty business. Plus it will only get more and more expensive. Then the actual charging logistics, both actual charging points and the fact that we have tens of thousands, hell more? Of gas stations around the country. Let's also not forgot where some of the electricity comes from, a lot of power plants in the US are coal powered. That isn't green. As we saw in Texas recently, their power grid is a hot mess. Not to mention the geo-political issues with China and Africa over the actual natural resources. My final shot across the bow, lithium refining is another fun bit.

Major leaders in the automotive world like Toyota and Porsche are investing billions of dollars in the future of ICE. Whether it's hydrogen or synthetic fuels, or just different technologies to increase efficiency.

I think hybrids are a great system in the time being. Regenerative braking and EV for rush hour/ red light to red light is a great use case. The Chevy Volt is such a great design. It's a shame that it hasn't taken off.


Then to get back on track.

This is great news! I love inline 6s, they are so smooth. I've had a ton of 4.0l Jeeps and 3.0l BMWs over the years.

 

[tommyp]

A 41% drop in range for the gasser is going from 17mpg to 10. Pretty normal for towing mode from what has been written.

Then leave it in a parking lot during the work day that doesnt have charging or heat. Or the ski slope. You may have enough battery left or you may not. Where with a gas car you know if you have gas you are going to be able to drive for the most part.

I am sure we will get there at some point and chargers will proliferate but for this to work well for a lot of people especially those of us that live where it is cold and dark half the year they are going to have to have a gas vehicle around for a while.

I have driven teslas. They are fun but also wierd with all of the battery weight down low. For most of my use i could get a way with one. But i like to spend the summers camping in the glad across the US. Charging along an overlanding trip is going to suck for a long time.

Also change is not always for the better. Obviously in evs they do help the environment but diversification in power is a good thing. Having all of your power needs coming from the grid is putting a lot of eggs in one basket. I am not saying gas is the answer here but it is nice to be able to run a generator. Among other things.

I am not afraid of evs but the freedom of travel we have with gas vehicles shouldnt be given up.

 

[kad's_Glad]

I would sign up for that in a JT without question.

... If they had it in Gator.

Agreed. I would be very, very interested. Still don’t understand why this type of drivetrain isn’t more widely used. But then again, I’m not an engineer

 

[MrKnowitall]

I wouldn’t be so sure that the JT 4xe will use the I6. The Grand Cherokee 4xe is using the 2l with a 6000lb tow rating.
I’ll be totally happy with a single turbo Hurricane with HP/TQ numbers like the updated GM L3B 2.7T.

 

[redrider]

Then leave it in a parking lot during the work day that doesnt have charging or heat. Or the ski slope. You may have enough battery left or you may not. Where with a gas car you know if you have gas you are going to be able to drive for the most part.

I am sure we will get there at some point and chargers will proliferate but for this to work well for a lot of people especially those of us that live where it is cold and dark half the year they are going to have to have a gas vehicle around for a while.

I have driven teslas. They are fun but also wierd with all of the battery weight down low. For most of my use i could get a way with one. But i like to spend the summers camping in the glad across the US. Charging along an overlanding trip is going to suck for a long time.

Also change is not always for the better. Obviously in evs they do help the environment but diversification in power is a good thing. Having all of your power needs coming from the grid is putting a lot of eggs in one basket. I am not saying gas is the answer here but it is nice to be able to run a generator. Among other things.

I am not afraid of evs but the freedom of travel we have with gas vehicles shouldnt be given up.

Exactly, Sir. My intent was to compare a 41% drop for both types and in my mind, the EV winter performance seems to be equal to towing 5000 pounds every where with an empty bed and clean bumper. I can carry extra gasoline. Electrons, not so much.

 

[staying_tuned]

I bet it’s going to be a tuners dream. Solid displacement and piped for F/I from the factory will draw lots of attention from the aftermarket companies especially given it’s shared across product lines. I mean, even if the current 3.6 had a turbo we’d have forged internals a plenty, upper/lower I/C piping, larger turbo, turbo-back exhaust etc.

12-second ICE bolt-on gladiators in the future. This is going to be a hit.

 

[Trickster]

Since this thread is going in this direction, as an automotive engineer here is my perspective:

ICE isn't going away any time soon and I don't think that pure EV cars are the future. Lithium mining and other precious metals is nasty business. Plus it will only get more and more expensive. Then the actual charging logistics, both actual charging points and the fact that we have tens of thousands, hell more? Of gas stations around the country. Let's also not forgot where some of the electricity comes from, a lot of power plants in the US are coal powered. That isn't green. As we saw in Texas recently, their power grid is a hot mess. Not to mention the geo-political issues with China and Africa over the actual natural resources. My final shot across the bow, lithium refining is another fun bit.

Major leaders in the automotive world like Toyota and Porsche are investing billions of dollars in the future of ICE. Whether it's hydrogen or synthetic fuels, or just different technologies to increase efficiency.

I think hybrids are a great system in the time being. Regenerative braking and EV for rush hour/ red light to red light is a great use case. The Chevy Volt is such a great design. It's a shame that it hasn't taken off.


Then to get back on track.

This is great news! I love inline 6s, they are so smooth. I've had a ton of 4.0l Jeeps and 3.0l BMWs over the years.

Hybrids just have too many working parts for myself. I like the fact that they alleviate ‘range anxiety’, but the purchase price needs to come way down. Same with full on BEVs. My last vehicle that had a four cylinder engine was $20k more in a full EV model. (Volvo XC40).
No thanks. As for batteries, and the concern about mining precious metals, wait for the next gen of solid state battery power. It’s not far away in the rapidly changing EV industry. Quicker charging time and increased range. But the price has to be competitive with ICEs or the regular buyer won’t get on board.

 

[DaveNH]

Size wise, Wrangler/Gladiator wise, how does an I6 fit in the space designed around the V6?

This engine is supposed to be eliminating cylinder liners to reduce spacing. Along with other changes, it is supposed to be no more than 3" longer than the Tigershark 4 cylinder.

 

[ilovebikes99]

It's turned into a saga. Stay tuned...

Thanks for fishing for video views here instead of just disclosing the issues on the JEEP GLADIATOR FORUM.

On topic: yes the Chevy Volt was such a great offering! I loved driving it

 

[DaveNH]

I know. Makes me wonder though what model would see it first. I wouldn’t think they’d roll it out mid model year. I’m thinking the Grand Cherokee will see it first since it hasn’t launched yet. Other than that, I wonder if we’ll have to wait for the next model year to see it in the models they listed.

The original rumors said it might debut in the GC. The Grand Wagoneer was also an option, but they might want to let it get some real world experience before sticking it in a Halo vehicle.

 

[DankjeeP]

I just bought a V8 again two weeks ago, plan to keep it forever just because I figure they'll be sought after 5 years from now.

Wind and solar will never replace the venerated V8

 

[legacy_etu]

The original rumors said it might debut in the GC. The Grand Wagoneer was also an option, but they might want to let it get some real world experience before sticking it in a Halo vehicle.

Interesting. Can you imagine buying a GC and then a couple months later they roll out the in-line HO engine?! Ugh, I’d be pissed.

 

[RobbertCole]

'Tornado' - sounds like a Harbor Freight power tool name! ?

this guy and apparently 12 other jeep "enthusiasts" dont know a whole lot about Jeep history
Its a throwback to an old engine code from 1962.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Tornado_engine

 

[IamAlan]

Meh. ICE is yesterday's tech. My next vehicle, and hopefully a gladiator again, will be full electric.

Cali's electric grid can't support current (see what I did there?) demand. Now, everyone is encouraging EV'S? How are you going to get from here to there with mandated rolling blackouts?

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