STOLEN from my driveway this morning! New Jeeps are crazy easy to steal apparently...

[am1978]

Is this a thread about a guy who had his JT stolen or a real estate debate?

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[ShadowsPapa]

Love how these threads all spiral out of shape. Its actually quite entertaining and everyone gets to see each others true colors.

OP, sorry that your truck was stolen. For what its worth, I blame the thieves.

Sorry. I was only able to give one like per post due to some forum thing. Otherwise, I tried to give several more.

Right on Bill! Not only does this apply to the subject of this thread, it also applies to life in general. Especially after the previous couple of years.

The lower the fear factor, the lower the worry factor.

Well, my other post was not to imply or suggest to do nothing, or that I would do nothing. It was to suggest that since the odds of other far more catastrophic things happening are far higher. Now as far as "FBI" numbers, that sort of thing - one must also consider that unless they are broken down by county or region, that's national. Where we are the odds are a fraction of what they are around many areas of CA, or the Chicago area (lock your wheels, guys - been to some of those areas and you don't even want to stop for a light), or other areas.
In IL, your odds are well over 3 times higher than in Iowa, IN well over double that of Iowa, and your vehicle is really safe in Idaho. San Francisco you may as well figure it WILL be stolen, so just assume and make sure your insurance is up-to-date. The SF area alone has more than many entire states combined.
So ya gotta take it all into account.
But again, I am not suggesting to sit back and take an "oh, well" approach and do nothing or simply say "I locked it, what else can I do?" In some places, SF, for example, you probably should consider an expensive anti-theft device and keep your fob in an RF shield when not in use (my wife makes pouches for fobs, credit cards and so on with RF blocking material)

There are ways to mitigate the risk without putting yourself in the hospital with stress related problems.
If you live in Vermont or Maine - I know, small states, but still, your risk is really low - the lowest.

Jeep Wranglers get stolen, but not near the numbers of other vehicles - they fall into the mid-teens behind other vehicles. A Charger is among the most stolen, and believe it or not, the older style Cherokee is one of the most stolen vehicles of all time.
Otherwise, Jeeps are way down the list compared to Chevy trucks, and Ford trucks - those are in the top 3. Jeep is a niche thing, not as popular as many other cars and trucks.

From an article on Jeeps - and why aren't they more often stolen -

Relax, your Jeep is fine
Lucky for Jeep owners, most normal people find Wranglers loud, uncomfortable, and annoying. It seems that most thieves are aware of this and tend to leave our adult go-carts alone. But, it can’t hurt to think it over and make sure your rig is as secure as possible. After all, we don’t want someone tearing up our Wranglers; only we get to do that.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This video is from an area Ravelco installer. Advance through the video to 2:30 - .

Other videos here on how to hack a car. https://mid-atlanticravelco.com/about/

Every vehicle owner needs to see this - all, not any particular segment. If it has a fob, they need to see this.

 

[Gvsukids]

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/jeep-jl-theft-caught-on-security-cam.39293/

Perhaps a hidden kill switch might prevent it

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/easiest-kill-switch-install.50723/

Is this a thread about a guy who had his JT stolen or a real estate debate?

It's a debate about who's toughest.
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[joeym7]

This video is from an area Ravelco installer. Advance through the video to 2:30 - .

Other videos here on how to hack a car. https://mid-atlanticravelco.com/about/

I've seen snippets of that posted, but never the entire thing. Great explanation!!!

I don't know how any red-blooded American can not want to fight these animals. These are criminal thugs and we should all do our (small) part to stop them. This goes beyond potential financial lost, it is just the right thing to do.

They should find the original company who got the patent on this Stupid Key Fob system and sue them for financial damages and emotional pain in suffering because they put such a vulnerability in these cars...And Jeep executives and engineers should get off their ass's to get it fixed. Ford is working on a solution, why isn't jeep?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I've seen snippets of that posted, but never the entire thing. Great explanation!!!

I don't know how any red-blooded American can not want to fight these animals. These are criminal thugs and we should all do our (small) part to stop them. This goes beyond potential financial lost, it is just the right thing to do.

They should find the original company who got the patent on this Stupid Key Fob system and sue them for financial damages and emotional pain in suffering because they put such a vulnerability in these cars...And Jeep executives and engineers should get off their ass's to get it fixed. Ford is working on a solution, why isn't jeep?

And you know Jeep isn't working on it?
Keep in mind - Ford has crazy resources and has been the leader of the domestic pack for over a decade in technology. Ford, Mercedes and one or two other companies were blowing away the competition years ago in new battery technology. They had automation in their vehicles that made the other companies appear to be selling Model As well before those other companies did.
Ford - like 'em or hate 'em or just whatever, they have been leading the way in tech as far as companies many consider "American". Jeep may advance a bit now that they have other resources in the corporate structure, but just because you don't have something or haven't seen or read about it doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. We just don't know. Maybe they aren't - but can we say for sure?

As far as the other stuff - this is the USA - any company can make anything, any company can sell anything (well, one industry apparently shouldn't be) any company can call you or send you emails - freedom. You can't stop me from inventing or selling almost anything.
What I'd like to see - and I so RARELY ever even suggest this - is the insurance industry actually use some of their $$ and muscle to get something done - but it goes back to "I have a right to create and sell. And if you are on tiktok, you have a right to tell people to go out and loosen the lug nuts on cars and trucks.
The technology isn't really that new - people have been driving around for years hijacking wifi access points and routers using a bit of wire, a soup can and a laptop......... this is a natural progression. And with the Raspberry Pi - the doors are wide open. My son can do some real tricks with the right stuff. I'm glad he's on our side.

 

[joeym7]

And you know Jeep isn't working on it?
Keep in mind - Ford has crazy resources and has been the leader of the domestic pack for over a decade in technology. Ford, Mercedes and one or two other companies were blowing away the competition years ago in new battery technology. They had automation in their vehicles that made the other companies appear to be selling Model As well before those other companies did.
Ford - like 'em or hate 'em or just whatever, they have been leading the way in tech as far as companies many consider "American". Jeep may advance a bit now that they have other resources in the corporate structure, but just because you don't have something or haven't seen or read about it doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. We just don't know. Maybe they aren't - but can we say for sure?

As far as the other stuff - this is the USA - any company can make anything, any company can sell anything (well, one industry apparently shouldn't be) any company can call you or send you emails - freedom. You can't stop me from inventing or selling almost anything.
What I'd like to see - and I so RARELY ever even suggest this - is the insurance industry actually use some of their $$ and muscle to get something done - but it goes back to "I have a right to create and sell. And if you are on tiktok, you have a right to tell people to go out and loosen the lug nuts on cars and trucks.
The technology isn't really that new - people have been driving around for years hijacking wifi access points and routers using a bit of wire, a soup can and a laptop......... this is a natural progression. And with the Raspberry Pi - t and fix the doors are wide open. My son can do some real tricks with the right stuff. I'm glad he's on our side.

I'm not looking for excuses, I am looking for problem solvers...If Jeep has the audacity to charge up to $70K (as much as I absolutely Love my Mojave I'd be full of BS if I didn't admit they are overpriced (even though I paid just slightly below that. I left out some things I thought had little utility) for a vehicle they need to man up fix their crap independent of what other vendors are doing.

I do agree with you about the insurance companies and was actually thinking that myself this week. they should be up in arms getting after all the manufacturer's to fix it. (Or maybe their actuaries are fine with charging higher premiums to pay for the increase in stolen cars - who knows.)

 

[Dqban]

I love my sprint booster. Besides the obvious benefit of throttle control it has a theft mode that disables the gas pedal. Unless they know to go in and look for this device, they will not be able to drive away your car. Removing it will take them at least an additional 15 minutes If they knew exactly what they were going for. If you install nice and stealthy, they are not going to notice it even if they peeked at your pedal for something different.

i'm debating hardwiring it so that if they did find it and decided to try and remove it they would then have to cut wires and re-solder/connect..... this makes towing the only practical way to steal my jeep.

i would have loved a revalco plug but no installers in orlando.

 

[joeym7]

So if we look at the FBI statistic: in 2020:

"Motor vehicles were stolen at a rate of 246.0 per 100,000 people in 2020".

In other words if we divide 246 into 100,000 that equates to 1 car in every 406 people (I assume who own cars and not the general population including non car owners) will be stolen...Now that is QUITE a stunning statistic!

We can see the people who want to take reasonable (maybe even drastic) precautions are on the correct side of this argument...You can improve your chances (probably dramatically) by doing so.

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-auto-theft

 

[am1978]

So if we look at the FBI statistic: in 2020:

"Motor vehicles were stolen at a rate of 246.0 per 100,000 people in 2020".

In other words if we divide 246 into 100,000 that equates to 1 car in every 406 people (I assume who own cars and not the general population including non car owners) will be stolen...Now that is QUITE a stunning statistic!

We can see the people who want to take reasonable (maybe even drastic) precautions are on the correct side of this argument...You can improve your chances (probably dramatically) by doing so.

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-auto-theft

Dividing 100,000 by 246 to come up with 406 is not the best way to convey that stat. Consider it this way: 246 is 0.246% of 100,000 people. A negligible stat. In other words, 2.46 motor vehicles per every 1000 people are stolen. This is why auto theft is not a priority for law enforcement. There are bigger fish to fry.

 

[Burghardphotography]

I had a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon and have been in love for the past 1.5 years. Everything came to a sudden end this morning when I woke up and went outside to find that it was gone. From video surveillance I obtained from two of my neighbours, we can see two thieves walk up like they owned it, reached under the engine area (Assume they cut the horn wires, disabling it from sounding by the alarm) opened the hood, you can see quick car light flashing on/off, and they jump in it and drove away. Took under 4 mins from the time they walked onto my property at 4:50AM. Called the police and it was the second Jeep Gladiator reported for my area today. There have been several thefts of Jeep Gladiators reported in the past few days in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). Please take precautions to protect your Jeep Gladiators, Wranglers, and other Jeep products as they are all susceptible to new theft measures.

Add a separate hood horn or other deterrent devices along with video security. Wish I had a garage big enough to park mine.

Be safe, protect yourselves and your very defenceless Jeep babies!

Sorry to hear about your Jeep getting stolen, that’s a rough turn of luck. Especially sorry for out of hand this thread has become, some y’all really need to log off and touch grass, especially the “sheepdogs” of this thread. Seriously, gain some perspective if that’s how you see yourself ? this is a a Jeep forum, get this political bantering out of here. If I wanted to listen to your politics I’d go literally anywhere else, this should be for Jeep discussion.

 

[joeym7]

Dividing 100,000 by 246 to come up with 406 is not the best way to convey that stat. Consider it this way: 246 is 0.246% of 100,000 people. A negligible stat. In other words, 2.46 motor vehicles per every 1000 people are stolen. This is why auto theft is not a priority for law enforcement. There are bigger fish to fry.

Your assertion is totally a matter of opinion. My opinion is 1 in 406 is a much, much better way. It is tangible and reflects your risk as a person and hence much more meaningful. This must be true because both ways are mathematically equal but you don't like my way because it highlights the flaws in your assertions about being complacent...This is especially true after the "Do nothing side" has been tossing out ridiculous #'s like 1 in many Million. HUGE difference now isn't there btwn 1 in 406 vs 1 in a million.

But hey, if you think leaving a $70K car unprotected is cool have at it. Don't bother me none, but the BS being slung that those who protect their vehicles are "misguided" is malarkey.

The real question is why are you trying to convince others to follow your position. Kinda odd isn't it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So if we look at the FBI statistic: in 2020:

"Motor vehicles were stolen at a rate of 246.0 per 100,000 people in 2020".

In other words if we divide 246 into 100,000 that equates to 1 car in every 406 people (I assume who own cars and not the general population including non car owners) will be stolen...Now that is QUITE a stunning statistic!

We can see the people who want to take reasonable (maybe even drastic) precautions are on the correct side of this argument...You can improve your chances (probably dramatically) by doing so.

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-auto-theft

You can't look at national rates! That's like spreading the Chicago murder rate across the whole country and make it look like someone in WY is very likely to get murdered.
And you are saying that YOU are correct, and based only on that, and no one else is right if they don't take drastic actions? Really?
Look at the theft density, per capita, or even just per location.
Those in Odessa, TX, Yuba City or San Francisco, CA should be taking more actions than someone in IA or ID. That's way off logical. It sounds more like you work for the government where they make numbers say anything they want.
Love it - you use national rates to say "I am right, everyone else is wrong if they don't agree". That's funny.

You have chosen, yes, by choice, to leave out the CONTEXT. Vehicles get stolen - but look at HOW, where, and the situation. I watch Des Moines fairly close because if something is going to happen, it will be Ankeny or Des Moines metro area - especially some areas (and I don't mean the places some may think I mean, either! Those are actually SAFER)
Here's what Des Moines police have to say about thefts in this area -

Police say too many drivers are making it easy for thieves.
Police say drivers have given thieves a happy hunting ground by leaving unattended vehicles running in parking lots or leaving the keys in an unlocked vehicle.

"We saw this happen this winter, where people would leave their car running so they could run to the gas station quick and grab a coffee and they come outside and their car's gone," Ludwig said. "So now in the extreme heat, you want to keep your car cold, and people are leaving their cars running. They're just getting lazy."

Yeah, many of the thefts have been simple, not complex like you seem to believe. Unlocked vehicles, running vehicles, vehicles with stuff laying in plain sight, vehicles left in parking lots, etc.
So really, according to the police, that number could be cut drastically if people simply - roll up windows, take keys out, don't leave it running while you run in for a cup of coffee at Kwiktrip.
My bet is that of all of the vehicles stolen in our area - they were not tech thefts, but ordinary left the keys in the car thefts.
Walk through the parking lot at the Iowa State Fair - no joke, roughly 1/3 of them have windows at least part way down.
Employee parking lot at work - people left purses, phones, even keys, laying in the cars and sometimes even with windows down.
So - take your favorite number and cut that quite a bit because most thefts were due to fools. Not tech. Get back into context. Just because 750 cars in some area were stolen doesn't mean that number can't be cut maybe by even half by simply rolling up windows, locking doors, taking keys. It's really that simple.

Even the DC police have suggested most thefts are a matter of owners being lazy and can be prevented with these simple means -

An unlocked vehicle with a key in the ignition is an open invitation to any thief, regardless of any anti-theft device you may use. The common-sense approach to protection is the simplest and most cost-effective way to avoid would-be thieves.

You should always secure your vehicle, even if you’re parking for “just a minute.” Do this by:

Removing your keys from the ignition.
Locking all of your doors.
Closing all of your windows.
Parking in a well-lit area.
Never leaving your engine running and vehicle unlocked while you run into your home, a convenience store or anywhere else

Yes, thefts of vehicles with fobs and such happen, but most are plain old-fashioned thefts the simple way because owners/drivers are lazy..

Oh, and you left this part out, of course -
Vehicle thefts had been trending downward in the 26 years since they peaked at 1.7 million in 1991, falling 56 percent to 724,872 in 2019, according to the FBI.

You take the national number, apply it to all locations, and say people like me who have passive entry and a fob are WRONG if we don't take "drastic action".

Love your conclusion - you are right, anyone else is on the wrong side.
Even though in many areas police say many thefts would not even happen if you simply locked the doors and took the keys.

Context - can't just toss out a national number. Context. How many were high-tech thefts vs. "the car was hot so left the windows down:" or "I needed to let it warm up while I got coffee".
Notice those are the first things the police routinely mention!! That could mean - it's the most common ways things get stolen.

But obviously, you are right, anyone else is WRONG! OK

 

[chorky]

Well his pic shows to have a garage. And lets not pretend that A LOT of people don't keep 500 dollars of shit in their garages and 100K in vehicles outside of it. You are WAY less likely to have a vehicle stolen from inside a garage.

You don't have to adopt my logic here...but I'd personally say that if you cannot afford to garage it then you likely cannot afford a vehicle...or at least you likely should have a vehicle nobody would want to steal. Or be OK with it being stolen (thats what insurance is for).

Hey pal I[m going to call you out - you are being very toxic and ignorant with this statement. So your saying that as a disabled vet, since I cannot afford $50,000 to build a garage on my lot where I have a old and run down 1938 house that needs repairs that I shouldn't be allowed to own a vehicle that can get me out into the woods and enjoy some of the little things in life seeing as how I can no longer function like a normal person and go backpacking or hiking? Hmm. I guess entitled jerks like you are the only ones who should be allowed to have enjoyment in this world. Check yourself.

 

[am1978]

Your assertion is totally a matter of opinion. My opinion is 1 in 406 is a much, much better way. It is tangible and reflects your risk as a person and hence much more meaningful...Especially after the "Do nothing side" has been tossing out ridiculous #'s like 1 in many Million. HUGE difference now isn't there btwn 1 in 406 vs 1 in a million.

But hey, if you think leaving a $70K car unprotected is cool have at it. Don't bother me none, but the BS being slung that those who protect there vehicles are "misguided" is malarkey.

I’m not arguing about taking precautions or adding security devices. That FBI stat is a little meaningless since it applies to “all motor vehicles”. Some are easier to steal than others. That stat on its face leaves out critical information. Motor vehicles of any model year, particular makes/models, locales/zip codes, and a host of other variables. We aren’t all driving F-150s or Honda Civics.

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