2023 JT Willys Aftermarket “Max Tow Package”

[wildtaco]

Fret not, nail biters and computer warriors, I have decided to go with another camper. This thread is adjourned. ??‍

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[Mjolnir]

Before you accuse people of mathing wrong, maybe read and comprehend the post you're attacking.

the purpose of the post is that if one were to take a 6k towing cap vehicle, and equip it with everything that makes a maxtow a maxtow, they would then be capable of actually using their 6k cap.

You cannot legally increase your towing cap, but you CAN make your vehicle more capable of using more than 80% of it's towing cap. Not a difficult, nor outlandish premise.

Willy's towing capacity is 4000lbs. So 80% of it is 3200lbs. Anything over 4k would be illegal per factory specs. Sure, adding some extra stuff would allow that 3200 to move up to the 4k amount, but it still would be sketchy as all hell.

Bringing in the numbers you originally stated is what I was attacking as a willys does not have that capacity, and you can't make it that, legally or not.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Willy's towing capacity is 4000lbs. So 80% of it is 3200lbs. Anything over 4k would be illegal per factory specs. Sure, adding some extra stuff would allow that 3200 to move up to the 4k amount, but it still would be sketchy as all hell.

Bringing in the numbers you originally stated is what I was attacking as a willys does not have that capacity, and you can't make it that, legally or not.

Where does the 4,000 come from?
That's manual trans.
Manual - 4,000
Automatic 4500,
Automatic with tow package - 6,000

Is the Willys not based off Sport?

(those numbers are the same except for diesel and except for Rubicon, Mojave with manual is 4500 rather than 4,000)

 

[ecidiego]

The tow package adds tow capacity? Or are we talking Max Tow.

I know Mojave with auto is 6k period with or without tow package.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The tow package adds tow capacity? Or are we talking Max Tow.

I know Mojave with auto is 6k period with or without tow package.

Mojave is the exception.
Without tow package, it's 4,500 on Sport, Overland, etc. automatic.
With tow package it's 6,000
We are not talking max tow as that's ONLY Sport level. But it's similar in a way.
Mojave is a totally different scheme for towing.

Yes, the tow package adds capability on all other levels as otherwise you have a bumper with a hole and a ball on the bumper.

Mojave is the outlier on tow ratings vs. packages.

 

[ecidiego]

Mojave is the exception.
Without tow package, it's 4,500 on Sport, Overland, etc. automatic.
With tow package it's 6,000
We are not talking max tow as that's ONLY Sport level. But it's similar in a way.
Mojave is a totally different scheme for towing.

Yes, the tow package adds capability on all other levels as otherwise you have a bumper with a hole and a ball on the bumper.

Mojave is the outlier on tow ratings vs. packages.

Weird

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Weird

Yeah, if you figure it out, let me know!
I put the disclaimer in my other post because Mojave does follow the other sequence.

 

[ecidiego]

Yeah, if you figure it out, let me know!
I put the disclaimer in my other post because Mojave does follow the other sequence.

We're just special.....

 

[Hootbro]

Mojave is the exception.
Without tow package, it's 4,500 on Sport, Overland, etc. automatic.
With tow package it's 6,000
We are not talking max tow as that's ONLY Sport level. But it's similar in a way.
Mojave is a totally different scheme for towing.

Yes, the tow package adds capability on all other levels as otherwise you have a bumper with a hole and a ball on the bumper.

Mojave is the outlier on tow ratings vs. packages.

I think it is the 4.10 gears on the Mojave that get it to 6K.

 

[Rahkmalla]

Willy's towing capacity is 4000lbs. So 80% of it is 3200lbs. Anything over 4k would be illegal per factory specs. Sure, adding some extra stuff would allow that 3200 to move up to the 4k amount, but it still would be sketchy as all hell.

Bringing in the numbers you originally stated is what I was attacking as a willys does not have that capacity, and you can't make it that, legally or not.

Willys auto with a tow package is 6k. Willys manual with or without tow package, or willys auto with no tow package is 4k

 

[ecidiego]

I think it is the 4.10 gears on the Mojave that get it to 6K.

So how does a 'tow package' which is just a fan, alt, and receiver add 1500lbs to an Overland?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So how does a 'tow package' which is just a fan, alt, and receiver add 1500lbs to an Overland?

Possibly lower center of gravity and lighter curb weight of truck?

It's 6,000 just like the other levels with automatic and tow package (other than Rubicon which I believe is 6,500 pounds)
Sport, Sport S and Overland automatics with 3.6 all get 6,000 pounds. They are all 3.73, standard axle width, fairly light and sit lower than Rubicon or Mojave.

So I suspect the Rubicon gets 7000 vs. 6000 due to ratio and axle width.

Diesel Sport and diesel Overland each get 6,500 pounds while diesel Rubicon drops to 6,000 pounds. Weight and center of gravity?

Like we've hashed in countless threads - it's more than just the sum of the parts. It's the combination of parts on a vehicle, the footprint and how it sits, tires they are equipped (and thus tested with) and more.

People keep wanting to simplify it as if it's a specific set of parts that does it.

 

[Hootbro]

So how does a 'tow package' which is just a fan, alt, and receiver add 1500lbs to an Overland?

Cooling was talked about a bit at the lauch press junkets back in late 2018 and early 2019 by the Jeep engineers at those events. It is why the JT grille has larger openings and is why there was no 2.0L Turbo engine offering as the test mules had problems cooling and towing.

I speculate that increase cooling the tow package offers is just enough that bump the Sport/Overland based models without the Max Tow axles into that 6K range

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Cooling was talked about a bit at the lauch press junkets back in late 2018 and early 2019 by the Jeep engineers at those events. It is why the JT grille has larger openings and is why there was no 2.0L Turbo engine offering as the test mules had problems cooling and towing.

I speculate that increase cooling the tow package offers is just enough that bump the Sport/Overland based models without the Max Tow axles into that 6K range

Why does your avatar remind me of Ringo, or even Jeff Lynne?

Or maybe Frank Fritz's brother.........

 

[Minty JL]

LOL, sorry, but bad move, really bad move. You STILL can't safely or even reasonably tow over 7600 pounds.
Bad move. You should have bought a real truck with a tow rating of at least 9,000 pounds to tow 7500.
Do you know what the RV people say? Tow only to 90% of your rating.
You were talking 7800 pounds,
you need a TRUCK that's capable of 8500 pounds to reasonably tow 7600 pounds.
A max tow - just to keep it simple, say a tow rating of 7600 pounds, the MAXIMUM you should be on the highway with unless you don't care about the safety of others is under 7,000 pounds.

So you clearly aren't thinking about towing safely at all, or engineering and so on (unless you are smarter than Jeep engineers??) or you've decided to get a camper that fully loaded with batteries, water, camping gear and other stuff is only 7,000 pounds or LESS.

Max tow isn't going to help you with the numbers you were talking about earlier. So something is amiss or you really don't care.
That's going to sound harsh as hell, but it's all I can come up with as even max tow won't do the numbers you quoted earlier.

Makes me think of a sub that was "rated" down to 4000m and imploded at 3500m.

Playing at the top end or max of any rating is a recipe for disaster.

Finally, before the epic failure happens........set up a slush fund and label it "For DOT fines" DOT never lets off w/o at least $1000 in fines.......and make you drop the trailer and have it towed at your expense.

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