Anyone Concerned About Costs???

[lrtexasman]

Mind sharing your known issues for those of us not entirely in the know?

You're right, kinda BS to post that without some sort of reference. Link below is not for the faint of heart. Hoping Jeep will have it figured out by the Gladiator roll-out. Would much prefer a small Cummings...but that is not in the cards. Consensus was the Cummings was not fuel efficient enough.
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/...nical/8564-eco-diesel-engine-failures-91.html
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/3/...ers-Need-To-Beware-Of-Engine-Failure-7732734/

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[Karnaj]

You're right, kinda BS to post that without some sort of reference. Link below is not for the faint of heart. Hoping Jeep will have it figured out by the Gladiator roll-out. Would much prefer a small Cummings...but that is not in the cards. Consensus was the Cummings was not fuel efficient enough.
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/...nical/8564-eco-diesel-engine-failures-91.html
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/3/...ers-Need-To-Beware-Of-Engine-Failure-7732734/

That is some unnerving information. In all fairness we should be getting the "gen 2" of the ecodiesel. Hopefully these issues have been worked out. It appears the new engines are showing different part numbers at least hinting at changes and repairs. Thank you for giving some follow up information, I appreciate that.

 

[lrtexasman]

That is some unnerving information. In all fairness we should be getting the "gen 2" of the ecodiesel. Hopefully these issues have been worked out. It appears the new engines are showing different part numbers at least hinting at changes and repairs. Thank you for giving some follow up information, I appreciate that.

Been looking at the Ram with Eco but held off to see what changes will be made in Dec when the 19 rolls out. Very few got rolled out in 17 due to EPA issues, now that is resolved those trucks are trickling back into the market. Seems like the folks who use the trucks on a daily basis do best with the regen, mileage, and problems. Those that use the trucks infrequently and idle a lot, seem to be more inclined to have issues. IDK, I want one, if the Eco's rolling out in the 17/18 Rams don't have a lot of problems that will be my engine of choice.

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

My 1988 YJ is a Wrangler, the first Jeep to use the name Wrangler, so I do own a Wrangler. I also own the original Jeep, before they were called Wrangler, or even CJs, a 1943 GPW. I also own a 1999 Cherokee (XJ). I have over the years owned 4 other XJs. I am also considering replacing the Suburban with a Grand Wagoneer, because Jeep.

Sorry if I touched nerve by call you out, I don't mean it as an insult, but there are a lot of people that own Jeeps, but are not really Jeepers. God Bless every single one of them because they keep the FCA and the aftermarket companies alive and make it possible for me to keep my Jeep addiction going.

I said that as a simply a sarcastic way of showing that who are you or even who am I to determine what a "Jeeper" is. The the guy that mall crawls his Jeep or uses it to drop the top by the beach is as much as Jeeper as the the bare bones guy who only rock crawls with his. If you want to go back to the original intent then the only "true" Jeepers would be military guys. I have been a automotive enthusiast since I was a little kid, but I never had blind loyalty to a brand. Although it just so happens my fist car was a 88 XJ.

You seem to be looking for a pickup and are seriously checking out the JT. I appreciate that, but if I was in the market for a pickup truck, to do pickup truck things and occasionally off-road, I would look at Tacoma or Colorado. What I want is a Jeep that I can take off-road and occasionally do pickup truck things, so that is why I am eagerly awaiting the Gladiator.

I have looked at both and and both are too boring for me. The Colorado is ugly IMO and the interior is terrible. The Tacoma is under powered (not doing that again). If the JT wasn't offering the diesel then I would be buying either the 2500 or a Raptor, but since it is and I love my JKU (even with all the complaints I have about it) I figured I would wait it out and see what is actually produced.

 

[Billy]

I said that as a simply a sarcastic way of showing that who are you or even who am I to determine what a "Jeeper" is. The the guy that mall crawls his Jeep or uses it to drop the top by the beach is as much as Jeeper as the the bare bones guy who only rock crawls with his. If you want to go back to the original intent then the only "true" Jeepers would be military guys. I have been a automotive enthusiast since I was a little kid, but I never had blind loyalty to a brand. Although it just so happens my fist car was a 88 XJ.



I have looked at both and and both are too boring for me. The Colorado is ugly IMO and the interior is terrible. The Tacoma is under powered (not doing that again). If the JT wasn't offering the diesel then I would be buying either the 2500 or a Raptor, but since it is and I love my JKU (even with all the complaints I have about it) I figured I would wait it out and see what is actually produced.

You're right on the money with this one!

 

[peterjford]

Drop the diesel? Automatic transmission runs about $1200. So you save ~$4800 by going with the gas V6 (assuming your prices are reasonably accurate). If you are financing, the additional interest for the diesel may offset any savings due to diesel MPG. Remember, pay back on the diesel engine will be several years, and if you are financing, it will be even longer. Also, do you want your Jeep to belch out black soot? And do you want it to clack clack clack like a rattle can? OK, you get my opinion on diesels. However, If you are a hard core rock crawler and need more torque, then go for the diesel, otherwise, I think the gas engine is the way to go.

Don't want to speak for anyone else, but I think Vegas likes diesels and needs the extra torque for towing, off-road, etc. I know I do.

As for the black soot, that doesn't happen since 2007 unless someone has tampered with the emission/exhaust.

Do you really need leather? I have never ordered leather and have been very happy with the standard fabric. I don't get the leather fetish.

Leather in a daily driver car, yes. In a Jeep... probably not. But I must admit my current XJ has leather seats and the only problem I have is that when I ripped the drives seat I was kind of bummed instead of the usual "oh well, it just adds character". I'll get the leather if it comes in a package with other features I want, but cloth would be fine.

Premium sound, yes.

Since I will be driving the JT on the street a lot, I might get the premium sound. I have noticed in my other Jeeps I just turn the music off on the trail to listen to the ham radio and forget to turn it back on when we stop for eat or to camp.

Body colored fenders are personal preference.

I'll eventually go with aftermarket flares so I wouldn't get body colored flares unless it was a very popular color so I could sell them to someone that didn't buy them or introduced theirs to some rocks or trees.

 

[smudgeontheglass]

While it is fair to cross-shop a midsize truck with a fullsize, there will be a large chunk of the buying market that will not. When it comes to payload vs price the 2nd hand pick-up market will always win in that battle. When you have a guy that just wants to haul his dirtbike or quad to the trailhead but still be able to park in their tight office parking lot then you get into an exclusive market.

The midsize truck is aimed at the same market of people that used to buy the big full size SUVs. Honestly if you need a work truck a full size will win regardless of price points.

I think everyone at this point believes that we'll see a $50k or even a $60k JT this generation. Honesly the amount of options we've seen leaked are getting absurd, but Jeep has always had a base model that was at least attainable for most. So if you're not looking for ultra luxury, expect a base $45k JT to be there. Not everyone needs a 10" touchscreen display, plush leather interior, wide axles and 33" tires from the factory. Some people will want the truck due to its diminutive dimensions and not its towing capacity. Some will want it simply for the 7 slot grill.

When it comes down to it, the JT is probably going to be sold out for the first year of its production run just from the Overlanding community alone.

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

I think everyone at this point believes that we'll see a $50k or even a $60k JT this generation. Honesly the amount of options we've seen leaked are getting absurd, but Jeep has always had a base model that was at least attainable for most. So if you're not looking for ultra luxury, expect a base $45k JT to be there. Not everyone needs a 10" touchscreen display, plush leather interior, wide axles and 33" tires from the factory. Some people will want the truck due to its diminutive dimensions and not its towing capacity. Some will want it simply for the 7 slot grill.

This is kind of my dilemma. I want something smaller in size, but want some of the duty of the full size trucks. Also I want something somewhat luxury as its my daily driver.

 

[smudgeontheglass]

This is kind of my dilemma. I want something smaller in size, but want some of the duty of the full size trucks. Also I want something somewhat luxury as its my daily driver.

Then start making yourself some $500/mo payments so you can afford those options in 1.5 years. There is a strong community demand for a solid axle, 4x4 diesel midsize truck. Being realistic the price for such a vehicle is going to be high.

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

Then start making yourself some $500/mo payments so you can afford those options in 1.5 years. There is a strong community demand for a solid axle, 4x4 diesel midsize truck. Being realistic the price for such a vehicle is going to be high.

I can afford them. Its just that do I want to afford them is the question.

 

[Gladiator4Runner]

Drop the diesel? Automatic transmission runs about $1200. So you save ~$4800 by going with the gas V6 (assuming your prices are reasonably accurate). If you are financing, the additional interest for the diesel may offset any savings due to diesel MPG. Remember, pay back on the diesel engine will be several years, and if you are financing, it will be even longer. Also, do you want your Jeep to belch out black soot? And do you want it to clack clack clack like a rattle can? OK, you get my opinion on diesels. However, If you are a hard core rock crawler and need more torque, then go for the diesel, otherwise, I think the gas engine is the way to go.
Do you really need leather? I have never ordered leather and have been very happy with the standard fabric. I don't get the leather fetish. Premium sound, yes. Body colored fenders are personal preference. Auto temp control, will never buy a vehicle without it. Remote start is very likely on my next Wrangler.

I drive over 40,000 miles/year so I'll easily make up the $$ difference. There are other benefits of the diesel (towing, longevity, resale). There are so many pros/cons about each so you just have to personally evaluate your needs and budget and go from there. I'd really like an S-97 Raider attack helicopter but I can't afford the ammo I'd need to use on a daily basis.

 

[nowandthen]

At 40K per year, I imagine you will recoup the costs. Are diesels in the US desirable now? American diesels of the 80's left a bad taste in the mouths of many. I'm an old dog so no offense, but I'll wait to see the 'take rate" on the Wrangler diesels to see if they really are worth the extra cost, thus hold resale value. And I'm interested to see how they compare to the Pentastar V6. I'm not a diesel hater. But I've been around long enough (unfortunately) to know that diesel engines in the US are not coveted.

 

[Gladiator4Runner]

At 40K per year, I imagine you will recoup the costs. Are diesels in the US desirable now? American diesels of the 80's left a bad taste in the mouths of many. I'm an old dog so no offense, but I'll wait to see the 'take rate" on the Wrangler diesels to see if they really are worth the extra cost, thus hold resale value. And I'm interested to see how they compare to the Pentastar V6. I'm not a diesel hater. But I've been around long enough (unfortunately) to know that diesel engines in the US are not coveted.

The biggest issue is the DEF as well as how inefficient they are compared to how they could be (EPA stuff). Especially after Volkswagen got pinched I'm sure they are all trying to keep things legit. I'm not sure if there are chips out for this engine yet but I know for the Cummins and some Duramax they are tuning these things for much greater performance and efficiency.

 

[Ian cj10]

Here in AUS diesels are the engine of choice for 4 wheel drives & trucks so i imagine the diesel will sell well over here also the diesel tuning industry is huge here so many people do a chip & exhaust these days

 

[samichlaus]

I thought the diesel option on the Ram 1500 was about $3k.

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