Bronco looks legit

[redrider]

Competition is probably a good thing, as maybe Ford and Jeep will drive each other to make improvements that will benefit us ...

Hopefully a larger displacement V6 gasoline engine with more low end torque without using the Big Block V8. Yeah, something that moves with authority without the drama. My opinion of the Pentastar is that it is 'adequate with not much reserve". My 4.6 V8 Ford still accelerates smartly to highway speeds with a load of green wood with nary a hiccup. FCA should do the same without overkill. The 4.0 Cherokee will still dust a lot of the new stuff.

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[texanjeeper]

Except there's an enormous auto plant producing them and footage from said plant available to anyone with an internet connection. ?

Then where are they? I've not seen ONE in the wild. Not ever. Maybe I've just missed seeing them but I don't think so. I did see a baby Bronco the other day, craned my neck just to be sure it wasn't the big brother, and it wasn't.

 

[LostWoods]

Hopefully a larger displacement V6 gasoline engine with more low end torque without using the Big Block V8. Yeah, something that moves with authority without the drama. My opinion of the Pentastar is that it is 'adequate with not much reserve". My 4.6 V8 Ford still accelerates smartly to highway speeds with a load of green wood with nary a hiccup. FCA should do the same without overkill. The 4.0 Cherokee will still dust a lot of the new stuff.

I'm curious what engine this would be because there's nothing currently in their lineup between the 3.6 and the V8s. There's a rumored I6 in development but no way in hell would I want to be the guinea pig for an FCA product.

Then where are they? I've not seen ONE in the wild. Not ever. Maybe I've just missed seeing them but I don't think so. I did see a baby Bronco the other day, craned my neck just to be sure it wasn't the big brother, and it wasn't.

OEMs don't ship as soon as units are made for a launch. They will release once a sufficient number have been made to meet a chunk of the initial order demand. To say that the big Bronco is vaporware is just plain idiocy.

 

[brancky3]

Then where are they? I've not seen ONE in the wild. Not ever. Maybe I've just missed seeing them but I don't think so. I did see a baby Bronco the other day, craned my neck just to be sure it wasn't the big brother, and it wasn't.

I haven't seen a Wrangler 392 in the wild, ever, but I know they exist

 

[AZCooWhip]

Hard disagree from me. The Bronco offers 99% of what the average Jeep buyer wants in a much better package. These aren't the TJ days anymore and I'd throw down cash that the average Wrangler doesn't see any serious dirt until at least the second owner. Road manners matter and with more power, much better steering/suspension, and deeper gears to push large tires, the Bronco checks all the boxes that Jeep has failed to check for what matters to the mall crawler crowd that is the majority of new Jeep buyers.

Right now you're seeing preorders that is largely the blue oval fans and those who have to be first but once test drives start and barring any major issues, nobody in their right mind is going to pick the Jeep over the Bronco for any objective factor that isn't the solid axle. Looks, yes, but it's hard to argue when the Bronco was purposely built to be better than the Wrangler in nearly every way that matters to the average consumer.

Very interesting perspective indeed. As a hard core Blue Oval fan, and having followed this mess from nearly day 1, I’m curious to know what the “average” person will see as a “better” package from Ford and that no one in their right mind would pick the Jeep. Throw some off-roaders in there and still would be curious to know what they are offering that will be better.

I was that guy thinking that the Bronco was going to better And was fully prepared to make sizeable investments. I quickly became convinced otherwise and struggled with putting my Blue Oval background aside. . Having chased the test mules around the Great 48 for a while, I felt let down as I saw them each time up close in person here in Phx. I was completely underwhelmed by first impression. First impressions are that it’s just another SUV floating around. Zero soul to catch your eye. To this, I cannot drive down the highway or pull into a gas station without someone saying “damn, love your Jeep”. Even non Jeep people know the iconic image of Jeep. Bronco won’t have that Other than to those “in the know”. Is that the end all to be all...nope. First impressions are important In convincing the masses to buy your stuff. Most drivers are ignorant to lineage and performance.

I will reserve what really matters in the way of capability and adding modifications that are to my liking and needs and after I can adequately drive one.

For now, will sit back and enjoy what we have. Both of them. Competition is good. Keep will not sit still on this. This will be good for all of us.

 

[redrider]

It is my understanding that the I6 configuration crank pin location is key to that instant hit of torque from idle. With a Vtype, the torque pulses are muted by one another to some degree because of crank pin offsets. It would be nice to have another I6 with modern efficiency although the Cherokee 4.0 returns 18 mpg just like the pentastar. Agreed, nothing currently made.

 

[LostWoods]

Very interesting perspective indeed. As a hard core Blue Oval fan, and having followed this mess from nearly day 1, I’m curious to know what the “average” person will see as a “better” package from Ford and that no one in their right mind would pick the Jeep. Throw some off-roaders in there and still would be curious to know what they are offering that will be better.

I was that guy thinking that the Bronco was going to better And was fully prepared to make sizeable investments. I quickly became convinced otherwise and struggled with putting my Blue Oval background aside. . Having chased the test mules around the Great 48 for a while, I felt let down as I saw them each time up close in person here in Phx. I was completely underwhelmed by first impression. First impressions are that it’s just another SUV floating around. Zero soul to catch your eye. To this, I cannot drive down the highway or pull into a gas station without someone saying “damn, love your Jeep”. Even non Jeep people know the iconic image of Jeep. Bronco won’t have that Other than to those “in the know”. Is that the end all to be all...nope. First impressions are important In convincing the masses to buy your stuff. Most drivers are ignorant to lineage and performance.

I will reserve what really matters in the way of capability and adding modifications that are to my liking and needs and after I can adequately drive one.

For now, will sit back and enjoy what we have. Both of them. Competition is good. Keep will not sit still on this. This will be good for all of us.

What are the two most common complaints about the JL? For a substantial majority, it's a combination of power and steering.

Even the 2.3L that comes stock in the Bronco feels substantially better in the Ranger than the 3.6L we get and the 2.7L is just icing on the cake. Want even more power? It's as simple as a tune that is offered directly from Ford. The only way to get those kinds of gains with the JL/JT is a big investment in forced induction.

Steering is the same situation... Jeep is caught with the same steering design it's used for just about forever. It's archaic, it's loose, but it's great for people who off road and want that solid axle. But back just over 40 years ago, rack and pinion steering became the norm for new vehicles and it doesn't have these drawbacks. I can guarantee the Bronco will feel tighter, more controlled, and most importantly, very familiar to people who have been driving other vehicles for the past 40 years and are not used to the way a Jeep handles. Just go drive a JT and a Ranger at high speed on meandering roads and it's clear which is easier. With the short wheelbase, the difference will be huge in the Bronco.

The Jeep purchase will either come down to wanting that solid axle for off-roading or because people want the Jeep look. For most of the segment, however, it's about looking rugged and the Bronco (the real Bronco which, having seen one, is substantially different than the Escape in disguise you've probably seen) meets that criteria handily.

But as you said, most drivers are ignorant or indifferent to lineage... Jeep is rugged to them but that's all it is and when comparing performance, the Bronco is on a platform that will feel more comfortable and more powerful and that's all that's going to matter to most of the market.

 

[MPMB]

Then where are they? I've not seen ONE in the wild. Not ever. Maybe I've just missed seeing them but I don't think so. I did see a baby Bronco the other day, craned my neck just to be sure it wasn't the big brother, and it wasn't.

There are none in the wild. And that's been well documented by auto media.

Production was (last I heard in January) pushed to May '21, and the first orders are scheduled to hit dealerships in Summer. Today's the first business day of Summer. We have 3 months.

Pre-order people have had to drool over the media test mule videos.

 

[smlobx]

I'm curious what engine this would be because there's nothing currently in their lineup between the 3.6 and the V8s. There's a rumored I6 in development but no way in hell would I want to be the guinea pig for an FCA product.
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I wonder why Jeep doesn’t offer the 5.7L V8 as a $3300 option in the Gladiator like they do in the new Grand Cherokee . It has 360 HP and 390 lb/ft of torque. That is an option that I would gladly pay for. The 6.4 L with its ridiculous up charge is not something that I have any interest in…

 

[AZCooWhip]

What are the two most common complaints about the JL? For a substantial majority, it's a combination of power and steering.

Even the 2.3L that comes stock in the Bronco feels substantially better in the Ranger than the 3.6L we get and the 2.7L is just icing on the cake. Want even more power? It's as simple as a tune that is offered directly from Ford. The only way to get those kinds of gains with the JL/JT is a big investment in forced induction.

Steering is the same situation... Jeep is caught with the same steering design it's used for just about forever. It's archaic, it's loose, but it's great for people who off road and want that solid axle. But back just over 40 years ago, rack and pinion steering became the norm for new vehicles and it doesn't have these drawbacks. I can guarantee the Bronco will feel tighter, more controlled, and most importantly, very familiar to people who have been driving other vehicles for the past 40 years and are not used to the way a Jeep handles. Just go drive a JT and a Ranger at high speed on meandering roads and it's clear which is easier. With the short wheelbase, the difference will be huge in the Bronco.

The Jeep purchase will either come down to wanting that solid axle for off-roading or because people want the Jeep look. For most of the segment, however, it's about looking rugged and the Bronco (the real Bronco which, having seen one, is substantially different than the Escape in disguise you've probably seen) meets that criteria handily.

But as you said, most drivers are ignorant or indifferent to lineage... Jeep is rugged to them but that's all it is and when comparing performance, the Bronco is on a platform that will feel more comfortable and more powerful and that's all that's going to matter to most of the market.

Good points indeed. Maybe we have been fortunate with my JT and wife’s JL. She liked mine so much that she went and traded her brand new Explorer for a JL. “This handles/drives 10x better than my Explorer“. Even with her lift and 35s.

Power is no doubt something that Jeep will address. Then again, my bloated JT with 4:88s does very well and gets 18+ mpgs. This coming from a HPDE driver for Years. Then again, I don’t expect road course performance in my Jeep.

One of my biggest concerns when looking for Broncos was the ability to modify. I knew Jeep owned that. I make my vehicles my own. These are the Broncos I came across one time over a P83. I looked them over top to bottom. I was concerned on future potential upgrade opportunities “For what I wanted to do”. Then again, guys like me may be an outlier. As we both said above, most buyers are not like you and I.

Maybe 1 day I will have that Bronco next to my JT. Definitely enjoying the hell out of the JT right now and love the look and performance of it.

 

[JeepGladRubi]

I think Ford missed the bus.

They were late on bringing the Bronco back, even though it has been talked about for several years.

Then the timing of trying to introduce in the middle of the worldwide mess and raw material not available.

Pushing back delivery dates on people that put substantial amounts of money down.

When it's all said and done, probably only die hard blue oval fans will still be interested.
Like any other commodity, make the consumer wait too long and the demand is gone.

Hard disagree from me. The Bronco offers 99% of what the average Jeep buyer wants in a much better package. These aren't the TJ days anymore and I'd throw down cash that the average Wrangler doesn't see any serious dirt until at least the second owner. Road manners matter and with more power, much better steering/suspension, and deeper gears to push large tires, the Bronco checks all the boxes that Jeep has failed to check for what matters to the mall crawler crowd that is the majority of new Jeep buyers.

Right now you're seeing preorders that is largely the blue oval fans and those who have to be first but once test drives start and barring any major issues, nobody in their right mind is going to pick the Jeep over the Bronco for any objective factor that isn't the solid axle. Looks, yes, but it's hard to argue when the Bronco was purposely built to be better than the Wrangler in nearly every way that matters to the average consumer.

Correct. Important note: Ford now has over 200k reservations for the Bronco. Also, the money down was $100... so no substantial amount. Reason I know this? I am one of the guys who reserved a Bronco when first announce and I can't wait to get mine. Very different than the Gladiator (which I just bought and am deeply in love with!)... so my plan is to have both.

 

[IamAlan]

There are a few around Columbus that are, no doubt, dealer samples. They are head turners. The real test will be when 200,000 new Bronco owners hit the trails and we'll see if they break any more or less often than the seven slot competition.

 

[Bantam]

Dear Jeep,
Put a rear locker on the Willy’s model.

Thanks,
Someone that’s said this since the Willy’s was a trim/package on the JK.

The Black Diamond Bronco caught my eye for sure.

 

[Hootbro]

Except there's an enormous auto plant producing them and footage from said plant available to anyone with an internet connection. ?

Facts have no place on a vehicle forum.

 

[702Gladiator]

It’s gonna fade just like the FJ. They made a mistake going with IFS instead of a solid front axle. Off road purists allready don’t want it. Granted it looks nice. Maybe a decent daily/weekend warrior but even built won’t hold a candle to built wrangler/gladiator

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