Diesel no longer available to order!

[Rusty PW]

You gotta be shittin me. So i now have a one year old vehicle thats obsolete? So whats gonna happen to parts supply, are they gonna abandon us ? Sounds like time to bypass some things and get an ECU cloned

MR Tuning and get a delete kit.

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[jensjer]

I agree. Ultimately, when I teach my kiddo to drive in 12-15 years, it will be on a manual. I learned to drive in one and though the learning curve was steeper, it paid dividends. If you find yourself in the

I am on the lookout for a good manual that can be maintained for the next 15 years. My spouse conditioned buying the auto on getting a manual run-about, and I agree. Ultimately, when I teach my kiddo to drive in 12-15 years, it will be on a manual. I learned to drive in one and though the learning curve was steeper, it paid dividends. If you find yourself in the developing world or want to drive a tractor or motorcycle, the skills are very transferrable. I didn't have any issue teaching myself to ride because the concepts of throttle and clutch manipulation were second nature. There is also no better way to learn mechanical sympathy and understand the sounds and feel of an engine than to shift your own gears.

If we consider the grand scheme of environmental impact, diesel has many benefits that aren't being accounted for, in my opinion. Manufacturing a vehicle is a massive fraction of its carbon footprint, as is the refining and delivery of petroleum products. The oil industry lobbies to keep that out of the discussion, but if we were to account for the impact of getting fuel products to the pump, a vehicle with slightly higher emissions but much lower unit volume consumption of fuel might work out to have a lower overall impact. And.. a longer-lasting engine design, such as diesel, is known for, in theory reduces the number of vehicles manufactured and in turn net impact.

Say all things being equal, diesel consumes 30-40% less fuel per mile traveled. The impact is not just tailpipe emissions per mile traveled but also 30-40% less oil pumped from the ground, transported by train, truck, and pipeline. I don't know the numbers off-hand, but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes nearly a gallon of fuel energy equivalent to get said fuel from 5k' below ground to the local pump.

I thin you hit the nail on the head.. No auto manufacturer these days is interesting in making a vehicle last 20k that would be suicide for any manufacturer..

 

[BourbonRunner]

Not here to argue- just here to state that the EPA and it’s abuse of power is incredible. Unless change is imposed, this will be another factor contributing to the pursuer of American industry outsourcing manufacturing. - This is something that will require critical thought, and not just emotional outburst.

My opinion- It isn’t right that we have a standard here in America to meet environmental requirements that can be completely circumvented by outsourcing to a lesser stringent country…. I suppose the ozone and environment outside the US boarders is less important?

Nail, meet head.

The fact that the "developing" world is allowed to continue to pollute at the rate at is instead of instituting similar controls as the US and Western Europe right off the bat baffles me.

For all the good that has come from Nixon establishing the EPA they've evolved to be the most emotionally charged and thusly improperly influenced bureaucracy in history, generally devoid of logic, rational thought, and most importantly, evidence based policy. Here in Maryland we're forever dealing with the EPA's bureaucratic consent decree to clean up the Chesapeake Bay but the EPA refuses to address the biggest single source of pollution in the Bay-- The states of PA and NY. The EPA should compel them to address their runoff into the Bay watershed instead of forcing MD to foot the entire bill...

But, I digress.

The manuals are almost gone. With around 12-13% new vehicle sales in USA, hard to say how much longer they will hold on.

It is part of why I'll never want to sell my e46. Knowing how to row gears is a lost art. If the JT's capability with the 6spd was comparable to the auto I'd wager we'd see far more three pedal JT's in the market than not.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

I regret my diesel. Don't get me wrong, It's a beast for sure and I love the clatter. It's not just because of the emissions crap, torque mgmt detuning, looming fuel pump failure with NO remedy, higher maintenance costs, diminished towing capacity, overheating issues (which I haven't experienced personally even in FL,) or even the price of diesel. But because after fuel additives, a tune, driving Ms. Daisy, and reinstalling the factory tires: my JTRD still won't yield 20mpg.
I could be content with all the other bullshit (except power output inconsistency; that galls me,) if it got close to advertised mileage. Yes the mileage was a big deal for me. More power and the clatter was icing on the cake.

Back when autos were 4-5 speeds

"Back when," lol.
I still consider a 3spd automatic with overdrive as a standard feature to be relatively new.

Not here to argue- just here to state that the EPA and it’s abuse of power is incredible.

If we consider the grand scheme of environmental impact, diesel has many benefits that aren't being accounted for

As Morgan Freeman said in "The Big Bounce": "Sometimes things are just as they appear."
The push to strangulate fossil fuel vehicles through the current method of emission controls and electric vehicles is either incredibly stupid or nefarious.

No auto manufacturer these days is interesting in making a vehicle last 20k that would be suicide for any manufacturer..

They don't appear to be interested in making them last 120k, either.

 

[jensjer]

I regret my diesel. Don't get me wrong, It's a beast for sure and I love the clatter. It's not just because of the emissions crap, torque mgmt detuning, looming fuel pump failure with NO remedy, higher maintenance costs, diminished towing capacity, overheating issues (which I haven't experienced personally even in FL,) or even the price of diesel. But because after fuel additives, a tune, driving Ms. Daisy, and reinstalling the factory tires: my JTRD still won't yield 20mpg.
I could be content with all the other bullshit (except power output inconsistency; that galls me,) if it got close to advertised mileage. Yes the mileage was a big deal for me. More power and the clatter was icing on the cake.


"Back when," lol.
I still consider a 3spd automatic with overdrive as a standard feature to be relatively new.



As Morgan Freeman said in "The Big Bounce": "Sometimes things are just as they appear."
The push to strangulate fossil fuel vehicles through the current method of emission controls and electric vehicles is either incredibly stupid or nefarious.


They don't appear to be interested in making them last 120k, either.

Ha, I ment 20years

 

[redriderjf87]

They should prolly get rid of manual too.. it's 2022 and tech has come a long way.
In a pickup truck it's unnecessary and proved by every other real truck manufacturer. Off roading it's unnecessary, as well as being a daily driver it's down right dumb with tech of new auto's.

The reliability issues I've seen in this forum with both manual and diesel options... it's taking engineers focus away from what the jeep gladiators should be... extremely durable, maintenance free and long lasting. When has there been more issues with manuals than autos... not ever! Except in the past 10 years.. But when Jeep decided try and give everyone, something... sh_t starts going t hell.

The ol 4.0 gave jeep so much street cred in the arena or reliability and longevity.. that all these these other options (which are redundant) are taking away from the roots of the brand. Maybe Stick in a JL makes sense in some respects.. can't find many,..but a pickup it's downright silly.

Unless they're gonna design this thing to tow 10k the options below would be better suited in this truck: Paddle shifters, the new straight six and/or a 392 makes way more sense in a gladiator.

A manual transmission has fewer failure modes and doesn't depend on electronics to work. The manufacturer just has to not cheap out on components to make it unnecessarily weak or less natural feeling.

 

[545moose]

Glad my ordering effort went south. Fate landed me here in a gasser so all is well! Has to be a frustrating venture to deal with that recall. I still want a diesel something, Volvo c303 or Pinz seems way more likely than a BT4 swap

 

[jensjer]

A manual transmission has fewer failure modes and doesn't depend on electronics to work. The manufacturer just has to not cheap out on components to make it unnecessarily weak or less natural feeling.

I hear you.. but a manual technically may not need electronics to work but these days everything else does.. maybe that's the issue ; ) ..

 

[Mike-len]

I regret my diesel. Don't get me wrong, It's a beast for sure and I love the clatter. It's not just because of the emissions crap, torque mgmt detuning, looming fuel pump failure with NO remedy, higher maintenance costs, diminished towing capacity, overheating issues (which I haven't experienced personally even in FL,) or even the price of diesel. But because after fuel additives, a tune, driving Ms. Daisy, and reinstalling the factory tires: my JTRD still won't yield 20mpg.
I could be content with all the other bullshit (except power output inconsistency; that galls me,) if it got close to advertised mileage. Yes the mileage was a big deal for me. More power and the clatter was icing on the cake.


"Back when," lol.
I still consider a 3spd automatic with overdrive as a standard feature to be relatively new.



As Morgan Freeman said in "The Big Bounce": "Sometimes things are just as they appear."
The push to strangulate fossil fuel vehicles through the current method of emission controls and electric vehicles is either incredibly stupid or nefarious.


They don't appear to be interested in making them last 120k, either.

You’re not getting 20mpg? I get close to 26 on the highway on longer trips and 20 around town. Sometimes it drops a bit in the city stop and go. Hand calculated I’m within a mile of the display mpg. Mine definitely clatters and groans.

 

[wingnut_cf]

Ordered a JTRD today from Gupton. No mention of the Diesel being unavailable...

 

[NachoRuby]

Ordered a JTRD today from Gupton. No mention of the Diesel being unavailable...

Maybe it was just temporary

 

[chorky]

I thought I read weeks ago or longer ago that the diesel was being pulled from RAM trucks - am I remembering that wrong/incorrectly?
Part of it may be due to some of the moves the EU is making recently.

There was an article in a long-time car magazine about diesels disappearing in light trucks just in general.
It wasn't connected to any brand, make or model, it was a general "this is going to happen and is happening and here's why" thing.

I also remember such discussion in other places too. But I recall That occurring something like 5-8 years ago.

Nail, meet head.

The fact that the "developing" world is allowed to continue to pollute at the rate at is instead of instituting similar controls as the US and Western Europe right off the bat baffles me.

For all the good that has come from Nixon establishing the EPA they've evolved to be the most emotionally charged and thusly improperly influenced bureaucracy in history, generally devoid of logic, rational thought, and most importantly, evidence based policy. Here in Maryland we're forever dealing with the EPA's bureaucratic consent decree to clean up the Chesapeake Bay but the EPA refuses to address the biggest single source of pollution in the Bay-- The states of PA and NY. The EPA should compel them to address their runoff into the Bay watershed instead of forcing MD to foot the entire bill...

But, I digress.



It is part of why I'll never want to sell my e46. Knowing how to row gears is a lost art. If the JT's capability with the 6spd was comparable to the auto I'd wager we'd see far more three pedal JT's in the market than not.

oh man. Talk about emotionally charged and decision making based on feelings. You should hear some of the stuff I have to deal with in the forest service with NEPA planning meetings. actually…scratch that because I could probably get fired. But if the greater public knew what was occurring during the decision making processes that occur there would be twice as many angry people as there are now…

 

[Slojo]

Diesel is on the 23 order forms. Looks like they are not pursuing putting a "4xe" drive train in the JT, so sticking with diesel to help with CAFE requirements?

 

[2TH MVR]

Seems like alot of you are regretting your diesel purchase. Not me. Love it. Been flawless over a yr of ownership. On 37's to boot. Many long mile trips. No overheating. Nothing. Great gas mileage and best of all. POWER and TORQUE. Keeping mine.

 

[Rusty PW]

Seems like alot of you are regretting your diesel purchase. Not me. Love it. Been flawless over a yr of ownership. On 37's to boot. Many long mile trips. No overheating. Nothing. Great gas mileage and best of all. POWER and TORQUE. Keeping mine.

I'm loving mine. 2 long trips out west with it. Knock on wood, no issues with it. Just a couple of questions with over 15K miles so far.

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