Diesel owners; do you regret you engine choice?

[Oilburner]

...If someone starts yammering about justifying (or not) the diesel on the cost-effective basis, they have missed the point so hard you can hear the "woosh" through the internet.

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[WXman]

Me: Lifetime Jeep owner, farmer with lots of Diesel driving, have a JTRD, do moderate towing.

If someone starts yammering about justifying (or not) the diesel on the cost-effective basis, they have missed the point so hard you can hear the "woosh" through the internet.

The tow/payload ratings are what they are: legal protection for Stellantis.

The 3.0 is more fun to drive, more responsive on the highway, and better (more at ease) at towing. It is an upgrade to the driving experience. Anyone who says otherwise is entitled to their opinion, but their opinion is wrong in my opinion!

Time will tell on reliability. I had the DEF warnings during the polar vortex a month or two ago, but they went away when it warmed up. Other than that, the Jeep has been flawless.

Yep, the EcoDiesel in the Gladiator reduces payload, towing, AND maximum frontal area. Ultimately it means that your enclosed trailer or camper has to be smaller.

It's all a shame because in the practical sense, the EcoD will actually do the work far better than any other gas engine Stellantis has, including their V8s. The EcoD will cruise on the highway in 8th gear without downshifting on inclines while towing near max capacity, something I've never seen a gas engine do.

Unfortunately it's the chassis and dimensions that the EcoD is installed into that holds it back, it's not the engine itself.

Diesel is also on the EPA/worldwide black list. Only a matter of time before the DEF remedy will not be enough for the enviro nazis.

Funny you mention this, because we're already seeing companies bringing new diesel technology to the table that meets Tier IV requirements without the need for DEF. Cummins is working on that for the next gen Ram HD pickups too. Heck, Mahindra has diesel engines that don't even need a traditional DPF or regen strategy to meet emissions. I don't think diesel power is going anywhere.

 

[TommyGp]

I would be wary of 3rd party warranties, that's a lot of money, why not OEM extended warranty?

Honestly, it wasn't offered and I didn't ask about it. I've seen first-hand some of the horrors of the 3rd party warranties, but I suppose I'll figure it out one way or another.

 

[Davekayc]

No nazis are going to take our diesels away. Once you have them you have them. And if your worried they are going to take them all the more reason to get one. And then you are going to wish you had the efficiency of the diesel. And the torque that goes with it. All you have to do is get one and youll be on the arguing FOR them.
Ps . New diesels burn clean.

 

[FutureOdin]

What rpm is max torque for the gasser? At the same rpm, how much torque does the Diesel produce? Apply the Diesel torque output to the formula and what is the HP? Inquiring minds want to know.

My choice would be for a larger, more powerful gas V6 or 8 but not over 5.0 designed for a supercharger or equipped OEM. The cost of ownership of the Diesel is my kryptonite. Diesel is also on the EPA/worldwide black list. Only a matter of time before the DEF remedy will not be enough for the enviro nazis.

Gasser makes max torque around 4200 RPM. From the curves I've seen for the gen 3, the diesel produces around 300 ft. lbs. at that RPM. 300 * 4200 / 5252 = 240.

 

[Davekayc]

You have to be over a certain amount of power for def to be a regulation. Mahindra is likely below that . They make a very stout cj7 though.

 

[wvuviv30]

Yep, the EcoDiesel in the Gladiator reduces payload, towing, AND maximum frontal area. Ultimately it means that your enclosed trailer or camper has to be smaller.

The Gladiator will fit my needs for towing; I've weighed the trailers and the 5x8 is around 2800# loaded and then the 6x12 is 5200# loaded.

I used to tow both trailers with a '16 Tacoma, 6400# towing cap and didn't have any issues.

If I was looking at towing more than 6K lbs, I would be hanging out on the Ram forums instead.

 

[biodiesel]

What fuel additives are you running and what's your schedule your using?

I use Hot Shot's Secret EDT with every fill up and Hot Shot's Secret Diesel Extreme every 6 months. The additives will reduce the number of regens. It's also a good way to increase the life of your injectors and CP4 pump. The highest mileage 2nd gen EcoDiesel has 425,000 miles on the factory engine (injectors and CP4 pump) and still going strong.

 

[biodiesel]

Funny you mention this, because we're already seeing companies bringing new diesel technology to the table that meets Tier IV requirements without the need for DEF.

There's a lot of talk about Diesel/electric hybrid for many future applications.

 

[biodiesel]

Unfortunately it's the chassis and dimensions that the EcoD is installed into that holds it back, it's not the engine itself.

According to the engineers, the hold back was the SAE J2807 cooling requirement. Due to the narrow opening in the grille, there's not enough air flow to meet the cooling demand. You and I have the 2020 Ram with the large front grille, which is why our truck is tuned for more power and has zero cooling issues. I'm guessing there will be aftermarket grille modifications on the JT Diesel to improve the cooling factor.

 

[Oilburner]

There's a lot of talk about Diesel/electric hybrid for many future applications.

What an Awesome idea! I wonder if it will work?

 

[biodiesel]

Ps . New diesels burn clean.

Diesels don't burn clean, per se, but their after treatment system does an excellent job of ensuring that the tailpipes are spotless. With that said, GDE now has an EPA Compliant Tune which improves the efficiency of the EcoDiesel. I have the GDE Complaint Tune on my 2nd gen engine and I'll be adding the GDE tune to my 3rd gen engine when it's released this summer. The tune is a game changer, plus it meets EPA emissions.

 

[Oilburner]

... I'll be adding the GDE tune to my 3rd gen engine when it's released this summer.

I'm witchu-

 

[biodiesel]

You have to be over a certain amount of power for def to be a regulation.

Correct. In 2013, the EPA instituted Tier 4 emissions which pushed 26 HP and higher equipment into a different classification that requires DPF and DEF after-treatment systems. My 2019 John Deere 1025R with loader and backhoe doesn't have an after-treatment system, which is why it's rated for under 26 horsepower.

 

[Davekayc]

I have dozers ,excavators and rock trucks all tier iv caterpillar , as well as the necessary evils (pickups) that come with it.
each machine goes through the big jug or more of def everyday . Irritating.

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