Electronic annoyances (rant)

[NVjeff]

I kept forgetting I hadn't gone through the setup screen.
At least I got the clock in a better location.

I was wondering if some of the other annoyances could be addressed with JScan, I haven't looked into it closely enough yet.

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[biplaneguy]

If you release the brake after you put truck in park, then press the start button, the truck does not start...

That works, shift to park, press the start button twice.

Press the center of the volume knob or the Mute button just below it?

That works, just gotta turn it back on again.

Mine takes a second, but it displays the track info via bluetooth when playing Spotify. Not sure about other services.

I was mistaken about that, it does display it. I rarely use BT without AA, is that takes even longer to get going (media, select source, etc., etc., all while the radio plays static). If it would only remember the last media source (BT) instead of defaulting to radio every time it starts, I wouldn't bother with AA except when I want navigation on the touchscreen.

Turn off automatic headlights and headlights with wipers.

No such options on mine.

Mine doesn't do this, look for a setting in the menu

Again, no such menu.

The only people who can convert degrees to a direction currently own planes or boats.

Guilty on both counts. ? But I also found a more accurate compass useful when offroading with my old Jeep.

Reconfigure your instrument cluster to display the time and just look for it there instead of the center screen. Your complaint is that Google put the clock in a different place than Jeep - that's asking a lot.

Yes, I can do that, but I'd rather have the compass, gear, and temp displayed there. Not really a complaint, just a nitpick, and yes, I know Google's arrangement can't be expected to match Jeep's.

I do need to look into Jscan or Tazer, just haven't had the time yet.

 

[sharpsicle]

Most of what you're griping about is either safety-related or, if not, it's configurable.

It never made sense to me for people to complain about things that are in place to improve safety. It's a bit selfish to call a safety feature wrong or useless when it saves lives. Most of these, like auto-park, have done exactly that.

The configurable options, well that's your call really. But something I have noticed is that no matter how something is built, or how many ways the manufacturer provides it in, the consumer will always choose to want the one way they didn't accommodate. It's a losing battle, and frankly just something people use as ammo to fuel internet rants.

I hope you are still enjoying your Jeep, because this list of annoyances is trivial at best. At worst, it kinda shows a lack of understanding for how things work, but I'm hoping you haven't actually put that amount of thought into it and actually committed to this list on that level. I also hope they're not making your experience negative, because if they are, well I don't think there's a vehicle out there you'll enjoy.

 

[ecidiego]

Overall, I really like my new ride (2023 base Sport), but some of the electronics... not so much. Most I guess I gotta live with, but maybe some can be fixed?

• That annoying warning that pops up on the touchscreen ("avoid distracted driving", etc.) that pops up on the touchscreen every time you start. There's an "accept" button, but it doesn't seem to do anything, and you can't do anything else on the touchscreen until it goes away....
• ... like turn off the radio, which starts up with a blast of static or annoying radio station until the bluetooth connects. And no way to prevent the radio from turning on when the vehicle is started.
• No media information is displayed if using bluetooth without the usb cable connected for android auto. Other vehicles display this, why not Jeep?
• The touchscreen map going into night mode when the lights are on, even in the daytime. I know I can change that setting, but then it doesn't go into night mode, ever. My phone switches it at sunrise and sunset (or when entering a tunnel!) which makes a lot more sense.
• If you accidentally shut off the car without shifting into park first, it goes to ACC, with no way to get out of that mode without starting the engine again and restopping (in park, this time). Stupid. Seems switching from D to park when in ACC mode should cause it to go to OFF.
• Honking the horn if you take the fob out of the car with the engine running. Really annoying when I get out of the car to unlock the gate with the fob in my pocket. Yes, I get why they do it, but a chime or single chirp would be less annoying. I know I can just leave the door slightly open, but that's not the best solution if it's raining.
• ESS. Enough said.
• Glare from the license plate lights affecting the backup camera. I know this can be fixed with a relay and some wiring, either homebrew or purchased, but it's something Jeep should have thought of.
• Similarly, the backup camera should be disabled when the tailgate is open, or in the halfway position for hauling lumber... it's useless then and just distracting.
• The compass only displaying 8 points (N, NE, E, SE, etc.) instead of degrees. Granted that numbers would confuse 90% of the drivers out there...
• The tiny time display, that moves depending on whether the touchscreen is showing uconnect or android auto.

There are probably some others I'm missing, but that's enough of a rant for now.

Glad you like your truck

 

[biplaneguy]

Most of what you're griping about is either safety-related or, if not, it's configurable.

It never made sense to me for people to complain about things that are in place to improve safety. It's a bit selfish to call a safety feature wrong or useless when it saves lives. Most of these, like auto-park, have done exactly that.

Ah, no. I'm not talking about auto-park. If it dinged to remind the driver that they left it in drive when shutting off that would be fine, the engine is already off and [presumably] auto-park enabled. But I fail to see how requiring the driver to restart only to shut it off again after selecting park just to satisfy a poorly written algorithm is just silly (OK, I now realize one can go through the motions without actually touching the brake so the engine doesn't actually start, but still). The computer should simply recognize that the engine is stopped and the vehicle is in park, nothing more it needs to do.

As for the other issue (getting out while the engine is running), there are better ways to create an equivalent level of safety. Prevent the transmission from being put in gear if the fob is outside, or shut down the engine if it's not back inside in one minute. Besides, if I left the fob in the cupholder slot that Jeep apparently put there just for that purpose instead of in my pocket, the engine would keep running and nothing would beep. It's unsafe if I take the fob with me, but not if I leave it in the car?

None of the other things I mentioned are configurable as far as I can tell, with the exception of the clock in the display.

I hope you are still enjoying your Jeep, because this list of annoyances is trivial at best. At worst, it kinda shows a lack of understanding for how things work

I am still enjoying my Jeep, and yes, this list of annoyances is trivial. But there's always room for improvement, and being an engineer makes me [perhaps overly] critical of things that aren't designed as well as I think they could be. I "understand how things work", I have to include safety features in the machinery I design (Stellantis being one of our customers, in fact)... and often have to argue or explain to somebody why some "safety" feature they want me to include actually does nothing to enhance safety and may actually make it less safe.

 

[Gvsukids]

Guess you didn't spend enough time during the test drive to notice this.

There's an "accept" button, but it doesn't seem to do anything, and you can't do anything else on the touchscreen until it goes away....

On my 20 the warning goes away on its own.

Honking the horn if you take the fob out of the car with the engine running

Tazer can disable

Also, I would like to be able to move the truck forward with the door open, if this is possible I haven't found the method yet.

Tazer disables.

 

[sharpsicle]

Ah, no. I'm not talking about auto-park. If it dinged to remind the driver that they left it in drive when shutting off that would be fine, the engine is already off and [presumably] auto-park enabled. But I fail to see how requiring the driver to restart only to shut it off again after selecting park just to satisfy a poorly written algorithm is just silly (OK, I now realize one can go through the motions without actually touching the brake so the engine doesn't actually start, but still). The computer should simply recognize that the engine is stopped and the vehicle is in park, nothing more it needs to do.

As for the other issue (getting out while the engine is running), there are better ways to create an equivalent level of safety. Prevent the transmission from being put in gear if the fob is outside, or shut down the engine if it's not back inside in one minute. Besides, if I left the fob in the cupholder slot that Jeep apparently put there just for that purpose instead of in my pocket, the engine would keep running and nothing would beep. It's unsafe if I take the fob with me, but not if I leave it in the car?

I only used auto-park as a simple example of how added safety features have a purpose. Should've known using that would be unfairly latched on-to, but oh well.

Believe me when I say, you are overthinking all of this and attempting to reinvent the wheel. With less information and understanding than the actual engineers at Jeep mind you. It's a bit of armchair engineering. If your goal is to re-engineer their safety systems to your satisfaction, I would offer up your application. Your best play here is to understand how these systems work, understand if 3rd party options are available, respect the functions and options, and conduct yourself accordingly. But that requires seeking to understand rather than ranting.

We can help with the understanding part; not so much with the armchair engineering.

 

[Jteakus]

"I share some of those annoyances with my two week old '23 Sport too.
The radio on at start up, small clock display, horn beeping when I step out and shut the door.
Also, I would like to be able to move the truck forward with the door open, if this is possible I haven't found the method yet.

I'm hoping someone that has addressed these annoyances chimes in to tell us how to do it."

When autopark engages shift to neutral then back to gear you were in and it will move. Do it all the time centering Jeeps on the lift.

 

[Teqsand]

Not at all stupid - it protects stupid people from themselves, meaning killing themselves or hurting some child nearby because they didn't THINK while acting.
My son screwed up with my JT twice- getting out without putting it in park, etc. - he was used to a total EV that did all of that automatically. You don't have to shift to park or shut anything off. You exit the vehicle, all things are shut down and it's put into "Park". If mine didn't do what you are bitchen about, someone could have been seriously hurt, or at least some property damage to say the least.

Guess you really didn't understand what his complaint was.... vehicle is OFF

And yet for many tens of thousands, it's really a non-issue or at least a minor issue. I mentioned to my wife that a lot of people complain about the backup camera glare at night and she said "why, it looks ok to me" while she was backing my truck down the driveway the other evening. For those few who are annoyed by it - there are very simple solutions and part of the fun of a JT or a JL is "DIY".

As long as your wife is OK with it, it must not be a problem for anyone....

 

[Teqsand]

jeep could definitely done a better job on the compass.... i mean OFFROAD VEHICLE and all, just sayin

 

[kennyglm]

The tazer will fix most of these problems

 

[Mad Mac]

Maybe I missed it,
but the single most annoying electronic doohickey is
the Auto Start/Stop System.

Another bothersome "feature" is that you cannot move forward if you shift from park to drive when a door is open. How am I supposed to check for Army Worms? I guess I could start moving and then open the door while moving.

And I often do not bother to close the door all the way if I am just driving through a gate opening and have to get right out again to close it. Which brings me to my most brilliant idea ever.

Leave the truck in gear and push a button on your remote to lock the ABS brakes and increase the idle. Get out and open a gate. Push the button again and the truck slowly rolls through the gate, restrained by ABS to a walk. Push the button again and the truck stops. Close the gate and get back in. Press a release button and resume driving.

The first pickup truck company to patent that feature will dominate the farm and ranch market. And it could be done with existing hardware. It would only require programming and a special remote.

 

[Sweetums]

"I share some of those annoyances with my two week old '23 Sport too.
The radio on at start up, small clock display, horn beeping when I step out and shut the door.
Also, I would like to be able to move the truck forward with the door open, if this is possible I haven't found the method yet.

I'm hoping someone that has addressed these annoyances chimes in to tell us how to do it."

When autopark engages shift to neutral then back to gear you were in and it will move. Do it all the time centering Jeeps on the lift.

Tazer Mini, my dude. You can turn off the autopark.

 

[Jteakus]

Tazer Mini, my dude. You can turn off the autopark.

No kidding! I have the Tazer and was unaware. You just made my day.

 

[ZoMojave]

Also, I would like to be able to move the truck forward with the door open, if this is possible I haven't found the method yet.

It will move with the seat belt buckled. No Tazer needed.

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