Ford Laying off 70% of EV Lightning employees [LOCKED DUE TO FIGHTING & POLITICS]

[WILDHOBO]

Eleven short years for something you claimed wasn't happening. Horses ARE allowed on




Eleven short years for something to take effect, that you said wasn't happening..........



Yes, horses are allowed on the streets. There are very few States where riding horses on the road is illegal. I think Louisiana is the harshest not allowing horses on any asphalt road. No, EV's are not superior. They are able to fill a niche currently. A very small niche. You will find that the government mandates against fuel that you are so proud of will be rolled back very quickly. Because if they don't, they DIE.

It is truly that simple. Germany, France, The Netherlands, and Austria have already started reopening coal fueled power plants. Mainly in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but Germany got tired of their taxpayers freezing to death because their solar power plants weren't cutting it.

As far as EV Semi's, for short haul they are indeed great. OTR they have no chance for years to come. The infrastructure isn't there, and the batteries need at least two orders of magnitude improvement before they are viable.

These are simple facts.

Just by saying something is a fact, doesn’t make it one. That, actually is a fact.

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[WestwallNF104A]

And yet you have a problem change now, but not in the past? Leaded gas vehicles were banned. And corn was forced on us in the form of ethanol gas, much worse for our engines, and not in any way more efficient. Farmers received gains from fuel buying tax payers, but I don’t see you whining about that.

Change happened ORGANICALLY! What part of that do you not understand? The change happened because the replacements were BETTER. If EV's were as good as claimed the WORLD would be buying them.

They AREN'T. You should ask yourself why that is.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Change happened ORGANICALLY! What part of that do you not understand? The change happened because the replacements were BETTER. If EV's were as good as claimed the WORLD would be buying them.

They AREN'T. You should ask yourself why that is.

More EVs were sold in 2023 than in 2022, and so on, and so forth. You’re just wrong. More are sold every single year. Because they continue to increase range, size, towing, etc. They get better, and more are sold.

 

[TheRealStreetcommander]

Another couple thoughtful questions that may trigger the koolaid drinkers:

1.) Does anyone know how many more kWh the utilities will need to create in order to replace the gasoline vehicles?

2.) Does anyone know how many new power plants that will require?

3.) Is it true that the US will have to double the number of existing power plants (GGE), not even considering demand requirements?

4.) I wonder who will provide the initial capital for all the new power plants and infrastructure, and then who will pay the principal, interest, and profit back to the financiers? I bet it will lower the cost/kW to the end users, right?

Because I care about the environment and especially those filthy little wretched poors. I know their power bills consume a much greater percentage of their household income than for someone like me who is educated, enlightened, and affluent. Don't worry little ignorant ones, I'm much smarter than you and I'm here to help.

Phew, its a good thing that power plants are cheap and very fast to construct. It's an even better thing that power plants are magical and don't use fossil fuels, don't waste 60% of their generation capacity from source to site, and are so easy to secure land and permitting for...

 

[WestwallNF104A]

More EVs were sold in 2023 than in 2022, and so on, and so forth. You’re just wrong. More are sold every single year. Because they continue to increase range, size, towing, etc. They get better, and more are sold.

Yes, and they are still a vanishingly small percentage of vehicles being sold. It's easy to have a 100% increase in sales when you only sold 5000 the prior year. Below is an article that deals with the glut of EV's that are piling up EVERYWHERE. According to your logic this couldn't possibly happen.

Why EVs Are ‘Piling Up’ at Dealerships, Despite Massive Taxpayer Subsidies
Federal lawmakers created a glut of EVs with their meddling, and it’s likely to have an adverse impact on both the auto market and the environment.
https://fee.org/articles/why-evs-ar...Nou98qKhXlsfU7EcuTlRWqSfQFkP2GQhoCokoQAvD_BwE

 

[WILDHOBO]

This, like all of these threads, has again become a platform for conspiracy theorists to regurgitate what they’ve read on Facebook, infowars, Fox “news”, etc. it’s no longer a discussion. Keep your heads in the sand. You’re probably happier there.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Yes, and they are still a vanishingly small percentage of vehicles being sold. It's easy to have a 100% increase in sales when you only sold 5000 the prior year. Below is an article that deals with the glut of EV's that are piling up EVERYWHERE. According to your logic this couldn't possibly happen.

Why EVs Are ‘Piling Up’ at Dealerships, Despite Massive Taxpayer Subsidies
Federal lawmakers created a glut of EVs with their meddling, and it’s likely to have an adverse impact on both the auto market and the environment.
https://fee.org/articles/why-evs-ar...Nou98qKhXlsfU7EcuTlRWqSfQFkP2GQhoCokoQAvD_BwE

I won’t touch that link with a ten foot pole. Show me one not written by people flooding the internet with falsehoods. Actual journalism perhaps.

 

[WILDHOBO]

So, you WERE lying. Not once have I insulted you. I have actually supported things you said that were factual, but instead of checking what I said, you chose to attack me.

That says a lot about you.

I lied about nothing. I responded that no one had forced you or any other person to buy an EV. One state changing a law in 11 years doesn’t make me a liar. And yes, you insulted me when you falsely called me a liar. So I responded proportionately by calling you a moron. Except I was accurate.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Another couple thoughtful questions that may trigger the koolaid drinkers:

1.) Does anyone know how many more kWh the utilities will need to create in order to replace the gasoline vehicles?

2.) Does anyone know how many new power plants that will require?

3.) Is it true that the US will have to double the number of existing power plants (GGE), not even considering demand requirements?

4.) I wonder who will provide the initial capital for all the new power plants and infrastructure, and then who will pay the principal, interest, and profit back to the financiers? I bet it will lower the cost/kW to the end users, right?

Because I care about the environment and especially those filthy little wretched poors. I know their power bills consume a much greater percentage of their household income than for someone like me who is educated, enlightened, and affluent. Don't worry little ignorant ones, I'm much smarter than you and I'm here to help.

Phew, its a good thing that power plants are cheap and very fast to construct. It's an even better thing that power plants are magical and don't use fossil fuels, don't waste 60% of their generation capacity from source to site, and are so easy to secure land and permitting for...

This is probably the most balanced report on what sort of infrastructure investment is needed.

EV Chargers: How many do we need?



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EV Chargers: How many do we need?

S&P Global Mobility Special Report
Even with home charging, infrastructure will need to quadruple by 2025
SOUTHFIELD, Mich., Jan. 9, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Supporters of vehicle electrification point to the more than 140,000 EV charging stations currently deployed across the United States – including Level 2 AC and Level 3 DC fast chargers and both public and restricted access units – as a sign that a budding system to support our transportation transformation is in place.
Charging infrastructure in the US is not robust enough to fully support a maturing EV market, says S&P Global Mobility
However, S&P Global Mobility data shows that the charging infrastructure is not nearly robust enough to fully support a maturing electric vehicle market.
Even when home-charging is taken into account, to properly match forecasted sales demand, the United States will need to see the number of EV chargers quadruple between 2022 and 2025, and grow more than eight-fold by 2030, according to S&P Global Mobility forecasts.
"The transition to a vehicle market dominated with electric vehicles (EVs) will take years to fully develop, but it has begun," said S&P Global Mobility analyst Ian McIlravey. "With the transition comes a need to evolve the public vehicle charging network, and today's charging infrastructure is insufficient to support a drastic increase in the number of EVs in operation."
S&P Global Mobility estimates there are about 126,500 Level 2 and 20,431 Level 3 charging stations in the United States today, plus another 16,822 Tesla Superchargers and Tesla destination chargers. The number of chargers has grown more in 2022 than in the preceding three years combined, with about 54,000 Level 2 and 10,000 Level 3 chargers added during 2022.

https://press.spglobal.com/2023-01-09-EV-Chargers-How-many-do-we-need

 

[WestwallNF104A]

This, like all of these threads, has again become a platform for conspiracy theorists to regurgitate what they’ve read on Facebook, infowars, Fox “news”, etc. it’s no longer a discussion. Keep your heads in the sand. You’re probably happier there.

I HAVE been discussing the subject. You have resorted to insults and emotional non sequiturs.

 

[WILDHOBO]

This is probably the most balanced report on what sort of infrastructure investment is needed.

EV Chargers: How many do we need?



PRESS

• Overview
• Press Releases
• Media Contacts
• Social Media Directory
• Press Kit

EV Chargers: How many do we need?

S&P Global Mobility Special Report
Even with home charging, infrastructure will need to quadruple by 2025
SOUTHFIELD, Mich., Jan. 9, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Supporters of vehicle electrification point to the more than 140,000 EV charging stations currently deployed across the United States – including Level 2 AC and Level 3 DC fast chargers and both public and restricted access units – as a sign that a budding system to support our transportation transformation is in place.
Charging infrastructure in the US is not robust enough to fully support a maturing EV market, says S&P Global Mobility
However, S&P Global Mobility data shows that the charging infrastructure is not nearly robust enough to fully support a maturing electric vehicle market.
Even when home-charging is taken into account, to properly match forecasted sales demand, the United States will need to see the number of EV chargers quadruple between 2022 and 2025, and grow more than eight-fold by 2030, according to S&P Global Mobility forecasts.
"The transition to a vehicle market dominated with electric vehicles (EVs) will take years to fully develop, but it has begun," said S&P Global Mobility analyst Ian McIlravey. "With the transition comes a need to evolve the public vehicle charging network, and today's charging infrastructure is insufficient to support a drastic increase in the number of EVs in operation."
S&P Global Mobility estimates there are about 126,500 Level 2 and 20,431 Level 3 charging stations in the United States today, plus another 16,822 Tesla Superchargers and Tesla destination chargers. The number of chargers has grown more in 2022 than in the preceding three years combined, with about 54,000 Level 2 and 10,000 Level 3 chargers added during 2022.

https://press.spglobal.com/2023-01-09-EV-Chargers-How-many-do-we-need

And yet you likely voted no for infrastructure spending to add hundreds of thousands more chargers. Because you want to complain about taxes. You can’t then say they won’t work because the grid needs improvement, after you vote to not improve it. It’s the circle of illogic that holds us back.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I HAVE been discussing the subject. You have resorted to insults and emotional non sequiturs.

From the person who couldn’t debate without calling me a liar? You amuse me.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I won’t touch that link with a ten foot pole. Show me one not written by people flooding the internet with falsehoods. Actual journalism perhaps.

Bloomberg OK for you?

EV Inventories Hit Record High in US as Cars Pile Up on Dealer Lots

• Now 114 days’ worth of supplies in US, twice last year’s level
• Both Ford and GM are pulling back on production plans

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ord-high-in-us-as-cars-pile-up-on-dealer-lots

 

[WestwallNF104A]

And yet you likely voted no for infrastructure spending to add hundreds of thousands more chargers. Because you want to complain about taxes. You can’t then say they won’t work because the grid needs improvement, after you vote to not improve it. It’s the circle of illogic that holds us back.

Until you build the power plants to power those chargers, they are useless. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? I WANT powerplants to be built. I would love to see nuke plants built, they are clean, provide loads of power, and are reliable as hell. You build the plants, then emplacing the chargers makes sense.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Until you build the power plants to power those chargers, they are useless. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? I WANT powerplants to be built. I would love to see nuke plants built, they are clean, provide loads of power, and are reliable as hell. You build the plants, then emplacing the chargers makes sense.

Good god. Solar and wind are more efficient and cleaner. But people want to hate them for some reason. The sun sends enough energy every day to power the world for a year. But no one is ants ti spend the money to build the solar farms. Or they want to complain about how much space it takes up. No one complains about how much space ethanol corn fields take up though.

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