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I just got my invoice from Gupton and happy with it at 5% below invoice. However I still have the 2600 dilema of a trade in value. Unfortunately They cannot work with my trade so I would essentially lose 2600 if I sell it first which kind of wipes out the 5% below invoice. I need to find a Florida dealer that sells below invoice also.
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I just got my invoice from Gupton and happy with it at 5% below invoice. However I still have the 2600 dilema of a trade in value. Unfortunately They cannot work with my trade so I would essentially lose 2600 if I sell it first which kind of wipes out the 5% below invoice. I need to find a Florida dealer that sells below invoice also.
Good luck with the dealers in FL. We spent a couple of weeks in January trying to do the same thing. We encountered pricing that was ridiculous and sales tactics that were underhanded (at best). Most dealers started with fees a couple of thousand $$ above MSRP, then were generally unwilling to be transparent about their mandatory Additional Dealer Markup (ranging from $3K to $15K). Several refused to discuss the ADM over the phone. All wanted our trade-in for 10%-15% under its trade-in value. I drove one Gladiator on a Saturday just before the dealership closed for the weekend. I drove back there (1.5 hr drive) early Monday morning, and, surprise, it sold on Sunday when they were closed. And this dealership group which had approximately 7 similar Gladiators at their 3 locations wouldn’t even discuss selling us any of them except the one they chose, regardless of the fact it was not of interest to us. And this dealer has a location fairly close to Orlando.

After those experiences, we ordered one from Gupton. It probably didn’t take 10 minutes for the transaction. The order was submitted on 2/4, and the truck is in the process of being shipped now.
 

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I just got my invoice from Gupton and happy with it at 5% below invoice. However I still have the 2600 dilema of a trade in value. Unfortunately They cannot work with my trade so I would essentially lose 2600 if I sell it first which kind of wipes out the 5% below invoice. I need to find a Florida dealer that sells below invoice also.
Can you not just sell to a Carvana or whatever in Tennessee? Or is that not how the tax credit works - do you have to buy from the dealer you sell to? Not a problem I had to deal with but the paperwork I saw for IL made me think you could use two dealers.
 

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Can you not just sell to a Carvana or whatever in Tennessee? Or is that not how the tax credit works - do you have to buy from the dealer you sell to? Not a problem I had to deal with but the paperwork I saw for IL made me think you could use two dealers.
For Florida it has to be a trade in to get the sales tax credit. For example if Carvana bought my car in Guptons lot in TN, they won't do the sale to credit the trade. I don't blame them, as they don't have time to deal with customers trade ins. But in this case it will actually likely cost the deal as I need to get the trade credit to make sense.
 

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Good luck with the dealers in FL. We spent a couple of weeks in January trying to do the same thing. We encountered pricing that was ridiculous and sales tactics that were underhanded (at best). Most dealers started with fees a couple of thousand $$ above MSRP, then were generally unwilling to be transparent about their mandatory Additional Dealer Markup (ranging from $3K to $15K). Several refused to discuss the ADM over the phone. All wanted our trade-in for 10%-15% under its trade-in value. I drove one Gladiator on a Saturday just before the dealership closed for the weekend. I drove back there (1.5 hr drive) early Monday morning, and, surprise, it sold on Sunday when they were closed. And this dealership group which had approximately 7 similar Gladiators at their 3 locations wouldn’t even discuss selling us any of them except the one they chose, regardless of the fact it was not of interest to us. And this dealer has a location fairly close to Orlando.

After those experiences, we ordered one from Gupton. It probably didn’t take 10 minutes for the transaction. The order was submitted on 2/4, and the truck is in the process of being shipped now.
Believe me, I know when I bought my first Gladiator. I ended up going to a small town about 1 hour outside of Orlando and the only reason the deal worked was due to the employee pricing they were offering in 2020. Plus my trade offer was 4k over what any Orlando dealer offered. It was a Gladiator on the lot, not an order. This time I am trying to order one, so I thought maybe they work better with orders.
Did you have a trade?
 

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For Florida it has to be a trade in to get the sales tax credit. For example if Carvana bought my car in Guptons lot in TN, they won't do the sale to credit the trade. I don't blame them, as they don't have time to deal with customers trade ins. But in this case it will actually likely cost the deal as I need to get the trade credit to make sense.
The increased price of a private party sale of your current vehicle surely covers the added sales tax of not trading in?
 

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Believe me, I know when I bought my first Gladiator. I ended up going to a small town about 1 hour outside of Orlando and the only reason the deal worked was due to the employee pricing they were offering in 2020. Plus my trade offer was 4k over what any Orlando dealer offered. It was a Gladiator on the lot, not an order. This time I am trying to order one, so I thought maybe they work better with orders.
Did you have a trade?
I had a ProMaster van that I would have traded if the right deal was presented. I ended up selling it myself. Ironically, I received several offers from dealers to outright purchase it for thousands more than I was offered as a trade.

The best deal I could find on a Gladiator order was MSRP plus fees. Based on everyone’s experiences at Gupton combined with Gupton’s pricing, it was an easy decision.
 

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I may just end up back at Gupton again. Wife has a 2020 JLU Willy's in bikini pearl currently. Now I'm getting a quote on a new JLUR 4Xe in that damned pink color for her.
 

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What's all this talk I keep seeing about XX dealer selling at XX% under invoice? Is that to mean XX% under MSRP listed on Jeep's site? Or is it a different dealer based price? Not that it matters being a long way away from these places but still just curious.
 

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What's all this talk I keep seeing about XX dealer selling at XX% under invoice? Is that to mean XX% under MSRP listed on Jeep's site? Or is it a different dealer based price? Not that it matters being a long way away from these places but still just curious.
subtract destination multiply price on Jeep.com x .88 then add back destination and your close
 

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subtract destination multiply price on Jeep.com x .88 then add back destination and your close
ok that makes sense. so its just basically using msrp and invoice interchangeably. thanks. wish they had deals like that up here.
 

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ok that makes sense. so its just basically using msrp and invoice interchangeably. thanks. wish they had deals like that up here.
How so? Dealer invoice and MSRP are very different animals. 6% below MSRP is several thousand dollars more than 6% below dealer invoice.
The way it worked out back when you fully loaded the Gladiator and it came to $63K the 8% below invoice being offered was around 13.4% below MSRP.
Your mileage may vary. Things are a little different for us now.
 

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The increased price of a private party sale of your current vehicle surely covers the added sales tax of not trading in?
Normally it would and if we were talking a much less expensive trade it would make sense but in this case we are talking about 42,900 x 6%.

I found a dealer today in Stuart FL which is a few hours from me that has what I want in stock minus the LED pack which im ok with. Says they will give me excellent trade value ect and have the car listed a couple grand under msrp. The problem is they won't give numbers on the phone. lol Not even conditional numbers. So its a crap shoot to drive 3 hours and get surprise numbers. These dealers just suck.
 

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ok that makes sense. so its just basically using msrp and invoice interchangeably. thanks. wish they had deals like that up here.
I don’t think so. TheSolarWizard was just trying to help you arrive at the same number without having to look up invoice prices on your own by giving you an approximate shortcut using MSRP and 12% off formula. Invoice cost is lower than MSRP, it is theoretically the price that the vehicle costs the dealer. But in reality, dealer cost is far below invoice. So dealers who value volume sales over highest price possible on every sale are able to offer below-invoice pricing. Sure they make less per vehicle sold, but they sell way more vehicles to still come out ahead.
so build your jeep on the website, subtract 1500 destination cost, then as the wizard said, subtract 10-12 %, then add the 1500 back into the price and you’ll be close (just paraphrasing, did not verify myself)
 

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I don’t think so. TheSolarWizard was just trying to help you arrive at the same number without having to look up invoice prices on your own by giving you an approximate shortcut using MSRP and 12% off formula. Invoice cost is lower than MSRP, it is theoretically the price that the vehicle costs the dealer. But in reality, dealer cost is far below invoice. So dealers who value volume sales over highest price possible on every sale are able to offer below-invoice pricing. Sure they make less per vehicle sold, but they sell way more vehicles to still come out ahead.
so build your jeep on the website, subtract 1500 destination cost, then as the wizard said, subtract 10-12 %, then add the 1500 back into the price and you’ll be close (just paraphrasing, did not verify myself)
Interesting. so by those numbers thats maybe 6K less than MSRP?

you all are getting some pretty good deals. none of the places near me would even consider such a situation, in fact it wasn't even talked about - that includes non-jeep dealers. All their invoices I have seen are straight at MSRP and no real rebates. pretty sad - I thought that was normal across the nation.
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