I have over 8000lbs towing capacity

[NC_Overland]

i just remembered where I found this. The Jeep website owner's section.

Weird, my Overland's tow rating went up from 6000 lbs to 6318.

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[ShadowsPapa]

i just remembered where I found this. The Jeep website owner's section.

Weird, my Overland's tow rating went up from 6000 lbs to 6318.

That web site is full of crap.
It has my towing WAAAY off and for some it shows negative numbers, even well less than their sticker shows.
The only thing correct about it for mine is the payload - that's within a few pounds.
MY stock Overland could never pull what it shows for trailer towing - You'd find it fried along the road.
Besides, the sticker is what counts legally and if you blow something while hauling or towing.

-1 towing capacity? LOL

 

[NC_Overland]

That web site is full of crap.
It has my towing WAAAY off and for some it shows negative numbers, even well less than their sticker shows.
The only thing correct about it for mine is the payload - that's within a few pounds.
MY stock Overland could never pull what it shows for trailer towing - You'd find it fried along the road.
Besides, the sticker is what counts legally and if you blow something while hauling or towing.

-1 towing capacity? LOL

Mine used to show -1...

My Overland tows surprisingly well. I've only towed around 5k lbs with it, but it was very stable and had enough power. It was an open trailer though, a 3500 lb car on a 1500 lb trailer.

That was with the stock255/70/18 all season tires, I haven't towed anything heavy with my 275/70/18 All Terrains.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Mine used to show -1...

My Overland tows surprisingly well. I've only towed around 5k lbs with it, but it was very stable and had enough power. It was an open trailer though, a 3500 lb car on a 1500 lb trailer.

That was with the stock255/70/18 all season tires, I haven't towed anything heavy with my 275/70/18 All Terrains.

I can't recall - do you have the original gears?
Maybe mine is just out of whack - or needs the PCM update - but trust me, MY Overland is a wimp with my empty trailer. I understand others would disagree - and I won't argue that their's won't do fine - they know better! LOL

Just can't figure out why others with the Overland say it tows fine when I know mine struggled with my empty car hauler, all aluminum, weighing a whopping 1600 pounds, was hunting constantly and I had to heavy-foot it to get up our hills. Colorado? HA - forget it.
You sound like it does fine - and frankly, most of the time mine would be pulling 4800 pounds plus some parts in the box.
(would like to see your setup and the A/Ts on it now - too bad so many folks live a day or more away)

 

[Mr._Bill]

I can't recall - do you have the original gears?
Maybe mine is just out of whack - or needs the PCM update - but trust me, MY Overland is a wimp with my empty trailer. I understand others would disagree - and I won't argue that their's won't do fine - they know better! LOL

Just can't figure out why others with the Overland say it tows fine when I know mine struggled with my empty car hauler, all aluminum, weighing a whopping 1600 pounds, was hunting constantly and I had to heavy-foot it to get up our hills. Colorado? HA - forget it.
You sound like it does fine - and frankly, most of the time mine would be pulling 4800 pounds plus some parts in the box.
(would like to see your setup and the A/Ts on it now - too bad so many folks live a day or more away)

Having the dealer reset the transmission so it goes through the learn process again may help.

 

[NC_Overland]

I can't recall - do you have the original gears?
Maybe mine is just out of whack - or needs the PCM update - but trust me, MY Overland is a wimp with my empty trailer. I understand others would disagree - and I won't argue that their's won't do fine - they know better! LOL

Just can't figure out why others with the Overland say it tows fine when I know mine struggled with my empty car hauler, all aluminum, weighing a whopping 1600 pounds, was hunting constantly and I had to heavy-foot it to get up our hills. Colorado? HA - forget it.
You sound like it does fine - and frankly, most of the time mine would be pulling 4800 pounds plus some parts in the box.
(would like to see your setup and the A/Ts on it now - too bad so many folks live a day or more away)

yeah, I'm not exactly close lol. Mine has the stock 3.73s.

It tows as well as my 2017 Canyon did that also had a 3.6l/8 speed also. It feels about the same except the Canyon has more power in the upper RPM range and has 308 hp. I could only feel a difference if I stepped on it, but I didn't really need to floor it. The only other thing better about the Canyon was it rode really level compared to the Gladiator having a few more inches of squat. I suspect that mine would be about the same squat if I put my Rubicon take off springs that I bought on it. I haven't gotten around to that yet, I have only installed the Rubicon fox shocks.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Having the dealer reset the transmission so it goes through the learn process again may help.

Could be - maybe you saw about our trip to Spirit Lake to visit some unknown Jeep dealer up there - it's relatively flat with rolling hills - the transmission never stayed in a gear more than about 10 seconds for several miles of the trip.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

yeah, I'm not exactly close lol. Mine has the stock 3.73s.

It tows as well as my 2017 Canyon did that also had a 3.6l/8 speed also. It feels about the same except the Canyon has more power in the upper RPM range and has 308 hp. I could only feel a difference if I stepped on it, but I didn't really need to floor it. The only other thing better about the Canyon was it rode really level compared to the Gladiator having a few more inches of squat. I suspect that mine would be about the same squat if I put my Rubicon take off springs that I bought on it. I haven't gotten around to that yet, I have only installed the Rubicon fox shocks.

Mine has the max tow springs under the rear, Rubicon springs under the front. Removed some of the rake. A bit stiffer now but heck, it's a truck, not a Grand Cherokee! Love the Rubicon Fox shocks under it.

 

[MrJeep]

I can't recall - do you have the original gears?
Maybe mine is just out of whack - or needs the PCM update - but trust me, MY Overland is a wimp with my empty trailer. I understand others would disagree - and I won't argue that their's won't do fine - they know better! LOL

Just can't figure out why others with the Overland say it tows fine when I know mine struggled with my empty car hauler, all aluminum, weighing a whopping 1600 pounds, was hunting constantly and I had to heavy-foot it to get up our hills. Colorado? HA - forget it.
You sound like it does fine - and frankly, most of the time mine would be pulling 4800 pounds plus some parts in the box.
(would like to see your setup and the A/Ts on it now - too bad so many folks live a day or more away)

Also try a throttle controller.
I towed my TJ with my Overland Auto and plan to do it again soon. The TJ and the trailer puts it north of 5500# and yeah, it wasn't fast but the tranny held gears properly for the load and the handling and brakes were great. You realize why the springs are stiff when you do this, you are actually using them unlike when it is unloaded!

 

[Koihito]

Mine does as well. I actual did the math and came up with over 8000lbs. and assumed there must be some other limiting factor keeping it to 7650; then I dining this on Jeep Wave. I'll likely never ever 7000lbs. but I can if I need to

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Mine does as well. I actual did the math and came up with over 8000lbs. and assumed there must be some other limiting factor keeping it to 7650; then I dining this on Jeep Wave. I'll likely never ever 7000lbs. but I can if I need to

Did the math? Based on what? The door sticker only shows GVWR and GAWR which are gross vehicle weight rating and gross axle weight rating (for each axle)
That's what the truck can weigh or hold, not what it can tow. The door sticker does payload and vehicle weight.
Trailer would be GCWR of the truck which is gross COMBINED weight rating - truck AND trailer together. That also doesn't show on the door sticker.
Only the marketing info, printed material and your owner manual show the towing capacity. And you can't figure that based on the payload number on the door sticker. That's god as far as payload, the book would be as far as towing.

Like we've discussed to death - if you tow 8,000 or more and have an accident - what's going to happen? They'll go by the legal numbers in your book unless you got something direct from FCA/Jeep telling you it's ok to past over the book numbers in the owner manual and the advertised tow capacity. Someone somewhere is going to ask you if you ever bothered to read the book and what were you told when you bought the truck.....

 

[Koihito]

Well, if you subtract the payload capacity from the gvwr and then subtract that from the cgvwr, then ad in myself to drive it I'm still over 8000lbs.

Will I be doing that, no. But I would have no problem doing it if the need arises.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

subtract your truck's curb weight from its Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating (GCVWR).
The GCVWR is the maximum weight of your loaded truck and the weight of its attached trailer.
So if you take the curb weight away from the GCVWR that should technically show what it's theoretically able to tow.
Likely comes out close to how you are doing it..... unless there's a reason they trim the payload numbers.
But are they reducing the advertised numbers due to cooling or other restrictions?

 

[MrJeep]

My Overland would puke trying to pull 6,000 pounds with the gear ratio it came with.
It can't keep up with my empty trailer at 1600 - how could it handle almost 5,000 pounds more?

It was never explicitly stated in this thread but there is 100% something wrong with your Jeep. My Overland is just like yours and I had no trouble with 5500. You need to take it to the dealer.
QC is rough on these, no doubt, but they will eventually fix it, you just have to take it in 3 times, like with my steering box. Finally got that sorted.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It was never explicitly stated in this thread but there is 100% something wrong with your Jeep. My Overland is just like yours and I had no trouble with 5500. You need to take it to the dealer.
QC is rough on these, no doubt, but they will eventually fix it, you just have to take it in 3 times, like with my steering box. Finally got that sorted.

And tell them what?
Haul a loaded trailer in there? That would be the only way to show them.
They aren't going to be able to do anything just taking it in.
It works very well with no trailer, although the transmission does hunt a lot at 60-70 mph on our hills no load.
But like always, they'll say that is how they are, and frankly, they may be correct as these run so horribly slow RPM-wise on the highway.
I mean - 1600-1700 rpm is woefully slow to make any power or torque. You can't pull anything running 1700 rpm.
They geared these for economy.

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